Some of the keenest I have met have been youngsters ,that been schooled by the old boys,two in perticular that are not on here,been putting lots of game away since they were young teenagers and always get the best out of their animals,seen it with my own eyes before the ban,not ashamed to say I've learnt alot from them over the years,proper stockmen imo,the one lad had the best two bull X's I've ever seen ,not just around a hole but doing the job,retrieve across water,point,mark,pull,hold, work a long net,with hawks anything asked of them,met lots of tidy lads off here aswell over the year