My favourite 410 cart is the 2 1/2'' Eley Fourlong. Just right for what I want, close range vermin, and quiet enough so I don't need ear protection when used in me Baikal Hushpower. I hand 6 cartridges left so went to Mole Valley and bought some more. Bought 10 boxes, 250. These were in a different designed box, but the spec was exactly the same, Eley Fourlong, 12.5 gram, number 6 shot in a 65mm/2 1/2'' case. Any ways, seen a rat on the bird table, about 5 meters away and shoots it with one of the new Eley carts. Shoots the rat and 'BANG!',it flies off the table and lands 4 feet away. Normal