IMO I don't really think it's possible to lump reds in with the other five. For me, in the daytime, I've always thought fallow were good, very good, but I ran all the other species and found good individuals amongst them too. Reds aside, i always thought a roe, and educated one that knew what was waiting for it outside the wood, was the hardest deer for a dog to get up to.....roe get slagged off, but it's mainly by lads who've often only lamped them. Well, I don't think lamping gives a man a fair estimation of how good, or bad, a deer is, or any quarry species