I agree with a lot of that but my opinion has changed a bit as I get older. I have 2 nieces who both have 4 kids (with their respective partners). None of these 4 parents has ever held down a job and both of the partners have turned down cash jobs labouring for me. However I now think it is families like those that are slowing down the trend of us "responsible people" being outbred in our own country. We had a boy and a girl and decided to stop because of finances but if I could wind the clock back I would have a few more. Just re read that before posting this and I sound like Wilf FFS.?. That