I had a spell working in a steelworks between completing my trade and then returning to site work after redundancy. The thing I noticed on returning was that there were few time served boys working as site managers and more either started on the site manager collage path or also ex army who had civils experience during their service. I don't want to tar all with the same brush but in my experience these types have no empathy with the trades on site and do not see the sometimes shit work being done and only see positives by someone who is good at keeping his hard hat on. Time served ex tradesme