Lidle Find

[Lab 10,979]

 

Greyman....serious question. Do you think the Loch Ness Monster is out there.?

no mate, but I,m open to convincing, the thing is with the cats there is lots of small Pieces of the puzzle it's upto people to look for it and put it together, my entire family called me a fool for what I do but now they believe me without question because they have seen what I have seen, I show them my pictures and my bits of evidence and they now understand what is here and the amount of shit I take because I choose to look for evidence, if I find a big fish that has been killed by an otter I can tell within a few minutes because they use the same technique to capture and drag the fish from the water they then eat the best fillet and leave the rest, it's an operation I have seen dozens of times, likewise when I find a deer,sheep fox or badger that has been killed and eaten in one sitting I can tell with almost 100 percent confidence if it's been killed by a big cat because the methods are always the same, i then check for dental markings on the bones and any bite marks these are sent off for the academics to deal with I just look for field evidence I have hunted over the same land for over thirty years never knowing there were any big cats there apart from one news paper report about 30 years ago were multiple people reported seeing one in the same spot, then in 2015 I was doing my rounds when I found a roe Buck that had been killed and totally consumed in one sitting as it was soft and fresh and dripping with blood, I placed my one and only camera in the hedge nearby hoping to catch the culprit but nothing happened, even though there was a large active badger set and a fox earth with two grown Cubs all in the same field, every animal that came anywere near the carcass reacted with fear and fled and it was over a fortnight before anything would touch it, but once they had they ate the rest in a couple of hours, since that day I have found some nice footprints several more carcasses all killed and eaten in exactly the same way and this year I got the picture I needed to prove to myself what I already new was living in the woods I had walked in for ever, since I have been looking and a few local people know what I do people get in touch with me and tell me what they have seen and I have had three different people report seeing a big cat in the woods and even photos of footprints this year alone, one couple have one of my cameras in there garden they live right in the middle of the woods and have had a cat pass through there garden in the past, they love looking at the wildlife and if the cat ever returns they will let me know, people just want to talk with someone who won't tell them they are wrong or mad, it's a bit of a snowball effect and as most of the hunting I have enjoyed over the years is now illegal and I,ve caught, killed and cooked most things there are living in the wild I now choose to spend my time hunting for evidence and pictures to help prove the case and maybe help people understand in the future, it keeps an old bloke fit and active keeps me out the house and gives me loads to speak with people about like all you lot here, cheers

I'm glad you didn't take that question the wrong way mate....it was genuine. I just thought I'd ask to see if you believed in everything unexplained or it was just a fascination with big cats you have.

I'm a pretty sceptical person mate and I think it would take me seeing one with my own eyes to believe it.

I do remember talking to a keeper years ago and he told me a wee story about how one day he sent a picker up to go look for a duck just on darkening after the last drive. Seemingly the guy returned, no duck but as white as a sheet. Says the dog was hunting a bit cover and came out sharpish with its tails between its legs. Then a big cat type jumped up on to the wall infront of him, quick look then slipped away. He was deadly serious.

What really makes me disbelieve is the amount of livestock that would have to go missing to feed these mysterious animals. Put that along side the technology we have now, yes NV, and I can't see how they can keep hidden 24/7. When we get snow how do they manage to sneak about unoticed....I'm sorry but one footprint does not cut it. There should be hundreds.

Again....I'll be happy for you to prove me wrong but it would need to be concrete evidence to make me change my mind.

Happy searching...??

[ChrisJones 7,973]

What really makes me disbelieve is the amount of livestock that would have to go missing to feed these mysterious animals. Put that along side the technology we have now, yes NV, and I can't see how they can keep hidden 24/7. When we get snow how do they manage to sneak about unoticed....I'm sorry but one footprint does not cut it. There should be hundreds.

Again....I'll be happy for you to prove me wrong but it would need to be concrete evidence to make me change my mind.

Happy searching...

Can't argue with needing the evidence, it's a prerequisite, but it wouldn't necessarily be a massive issue to livestock. Cats here follow the deer herds and livestock damage is very low. I'm not say they don't take livestock but they wouldn't need to hunt deer at all in these parts if that was the case. My son's seen one while out with the dog, but all I've ever seen is tracks. Nothing on camera and a couple of the rangers, I know, have never seen a live one. This is in a part of the world where they probably outnumber the people.

 

If there is a population in the UK I really do think it's plausible that it could remain undetected because of the lack of numbers. Over here they have dedicated teams of people that actively monitor them, and while they can see the evidence that points to them they don't see a lot of them.

 

Over there they're not even open to the possibility that they even exist, so any evidence put forward is immediately at risk of mockery. From that alone I can understand why people privately go about satisfying their own curiosity, without fuss.

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

 

 

I would have thought someone would have found the remains of a dead large cat if they did exist in this country ,has anyone reported finding and have you ever seen remains of a dead large cat greyman a large scull for example or any remains

I was shown a photo 2 seasons ago off some lads I know through someone else-there's not alot they don't drop with their bull x s,they slipped 3 dogs on something a few feilds away,dogs stopped about hundred yards from what ever it was,then came running back to them lol-they got in the car and f****d off-told the farmer and he laughed -couple of weeks later he shot something. It was in the back of a single cab hilux with tail gate down-nose touched front of load liner and it's tail hung 1 1/2 ft of the back-they took pics and it went in the incinerator.had front fangs a good 50/60 mm long and thick,around 2 1/2 ft tts and over 6 ft in lenght. There was adult big cat foot prints along with 2 sets of young paw marks outside storey arms visitors centre next to pen-y-fan mountain found in the snow not to long ago.atb dc

mate if you could get me a copy of the picture I would love you forever, but your story is not the only one I,ve heard along the same lines, though one guy did once claim his dog had killed one then went quiet when I asked for a picture, but a few people with some good hard dogs have had them return with their tail up there ass and refuse to run again after slipping on a black shadow skulking along the edge of a field, have also had a few farmers tell me they had just shot and buried them to avoid any fuss

Read an article in a shooting magazine a couple of years ago of someone shooting a big cat and burying it to avoid any fuss!

[Lab 10,979]

 

What really makes me disbelieve is the amount of livestock that would have to go missing to feed these mysterious animals. Put that along side the technology we have now, yes NV, and I can't see how they can keep hidden 24/7. When we get snow how do they manage to sneak about unoticed....I'm sorry but one footprint does not cut it. There should be hundreds.

Again....I'll be happy for you to prove me wrong but it would need to be concrete evidence to make me change my mind.

Happy searching...

Can't argue with needing the evidence, it's a prerequisite, but it wouldn't necessarily be a massive issue to livestock. Cats here follow the deer herds and livestock damage is very low. I'm not say they don't take livestock but they wouldn't need to hunt deer at all in these parts if that was the case. My son's seen one while out with the dog, but all I've ever seen is tracks. Nothing on camera and a couple of the rangers, I know, have never seen a live one. This is in a part of the world where they probably outnumber the people.

 

If there is a population in the UK I really do think it's plausible that it could remain undetected because of the lack of numbers. Over here they have dedicated teams of people that actively monitor them, and while they can see the evidence that points to them they don't see a lot of them.

 

Over there they're not even open to the possibility that they even exist, so any evidence put forward is immediately at risk of mockery. From that alone I can understand why people privately go about satisfying their own curiosity, without fuss.

Your in the US mate is that correct? (Can't see on my phone). I really don't think we can base our little island to the likes of the US on how big cats would behave.

Possibly they would find it a better solution to hunt deer in cover but there's is not too much to pick from over here. Sheep would be the easy option.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

Your in the US mate is that correct? (Can't see on my phone). I really don't think we can base our little island to the likes of the US on how big cats would behave.

Possibly they would find it a better solution to hunt deer in cover but there's is not too much to pick from over here. Sheep would be the easy option.

Yeah, south west. You're right about comparisons but cats like to hunt. Most animals will scavenge but watch a cat stalk a bird table and scale it up. Livestock will always be an issue but here there's a lot of that too, but the cats still go for the deer more than the sheep. If it's established the UK is going to have a far smaller population, also, which is going to have less of a dent in livestock predation.

 

Again I'm sat on the fence with this one but we're talking about an animal that uses stealth more than an airgunner in a pest control write up. Small isolated populations would be incredibly difficult to document.

Edited April 18, 2017 by ChrisJones

[EDDIE B 3,120]

I think one of the main causes for speculation is all this fake footage knocking around. Photo shopping, and people trying to pass a picture of a pet moggy, for a bloody panther. No wonder a lot of folk find it hard to believe any of it.

[beast 1,884]

Having worked in a zoo for several years & heard all the old stories from a keeper of 30 years, I will always keep an open mind. The amount of animals that got out of enclosures in the 80s is scary as fcuk! Haha......Several big cats, some just within the zoo grounds & some out of bounds, to my knowledge all of these were recovered, but unreported & kept quiet. Even now, stuff gets out on occasion.

There's a hell of a lot kept quiet in the zoo trade.....;-)

 

This was just one zoo, add to that the other shitty little zoos & private collections, then it's highly likely there have been many escapes, unreported.

I went to a rough little place some years back which specialised in leopards, many of which melanistic & the enclosures were fcuking shite! It was laughable!

 

However, breeding stock in the wild I find hard to get my head round! Escapees living wild for a few years is not so unbelievable & according to things I've been told by 100% trustworthy people, then I'll always keep an open mind. :-)

Was the leopard place near welwyn by any chance......

[byron 1,093]

greyman...I believe mate,,seen a couple in Lincolnshire..

[Accip74 7,112]

 

Having worked in a zoo for several years & heard all the old stories from a keeper of 30 years, I will always keep an open mind. The amount of animals that got out of enclosures in the 80s is scary as fcuk! Haha......Several big cats, some just within the zoo grounds & some out of bounds, to my knowledge all of these were recovered, but unreported & kept quiet. Even now, stuff gets out on occasion.

There's a hell of a lot kept quiet in the zoo trade.....;-)

This was just one zoo, add to that the other shitty little zoos & private collections, then it's highly likely there have been many escapes, unreported.

I went to a rough little place some years back which specialised in leopards, many of which melanistic & the enclosures were fcuking shite! It was laughable!

However, breeding stock in the wild I find hard to get my head round! Escapees living wild for a few years is not so unbelievable & according to things I've been told by 100% trustworthy people, then I'll always keep an open mind. :-)

Was the leopard place near welwyn by any chance......

I just googled welwyn & I'm not sure now, I thought I'd gone somewhere in Norfolk? It's near on ten years ago now mate & I was reluctantly roped into going. It could of been though?

[terryd 8,050]

I have said it on a few of these threads I thought it was cobblers but what I saw one evening was the spit of this only black

 

 

I pride my self on not being one to big things up. If I catch a 5lb 15 oz bass then its a 5lb 15oz bass not 6lb lol

Edited April 19, 2017 by terryd

[DogMan85 722]

If you want to get technical a Lynx or a Bobcat is not a Big Cat, neither is a Puma either.....

[gnasher16 29,664]

 

 

Over there they're not even open to the possibility that they even exist, so any evidence put forward is immediately at risk of mockery. From that alone I can understand why people privately go about satisfying their own curiosity, without fuss.

 

Its been an interesting topic ive enjoyed reading some folks passion for this type of thing......but that type of passion is why a statement like the above is for me what raises the most doubt as i dont think they would be able to keep real solid evidence to themselves it would be human nature to shout " look at this " from the rooftops.....i believe in God but that's all it is " belief " if i had some solid evidence in the existence of God you bet your life i,d be showing anyone willing to listen thats just how we are ......it all seems a bit feeble and pathetic to say " i have evidence......but im not telling " !

Edited April 19, 2017 by gnasher16

[DogMan85 722]

All the rubbish about folk not wanting to say anything because they don't want the fuss is just that, rubbish!

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,568]

The most honest genuine man I've ever met swears he saw one at night in the Scottish Borders amongst his sheep as he was feeding them . Swears it turned and dissappeared from the lamp in seconds.

 

Never seen hide nor hair since .

 

The thing that always intrigues me is the law of probability and averages

 

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people swim in sharks territorial waters daily

 

Yet only one or two ever encounter jaws

 

My mates dad has hunted in Africa for the best part of half a century yet has only ever seen a hand ful of leopards

 

Chuck Adams the American bow hunter spent thousands of hours seeking a mountain lion to arrow for super slam , he only caught one when finally the hounds treed one in the heart of populous mountain lion country after scores of trips

 

To dismiss big cats as not being there when they aren't seen is a bit pedantic

 

I honestly 100 % believe we have them in this country

[Greyman 25,291]

All the rubbish about folk not wanting to say anything because they don't want the fuss is just that, rubbish!

well fair play mate you have changed your tack a few times over this, there is a Facebook page were people put there pictures up I believe, just to be discredited and slagged down by the armchair hunters, most of whom done a nights lamping with a mate and a shit dog but have talked about it for a year and now know everything about hunting, were as I,m old and pretty fecked but have spent most of my life outdoors, I've known of these cats for over 30 years and now I,m coming to the end I decided to go out and have a look, it's taken me three years and I,ve walked in the region of 30.000 miles, I've spent well over a grand on cameras battery,s and sd cards and get the piss ripped out of me a few times a week just to get myself one photo, that's not the best but it's good enough for me, the lad that said he saw one in a truck bed before it was incinerated is telling the truth farmers don't want townies with cameras crawling all over there land,to keep on shouting rubbish just shows a very closed mind, you asked for a photo, I showed you one, someone else asked for a corpse I showed you one, if it's all rubbish put your PlayStation controller down and get out for a look you may even surprise yourself