cheers for the info i did look up that firm allready just have to bite the bullet and start the reloading.what with the .357,.223 and the 28 bore i will be reloading in every spare hour i have left in the day.last week on the smallbore comp i hit 41 ex 50 and came 3rd in my class.this week though i hit 44 ex 50 on a shoot not set up for the little gauge