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My apologies. I've just looked at The Fell Terrier again and on page 107 there's a pedigree where you'll see 5 more generations on Davey's Dams side. Perhaps Rabbit Hunter could put a pic of that page up. Hope it helps.
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Sorry FD but haven't got anything in pedigrees that Rabbit Hunter hasn't given you from The Fell Hunter. I have 3 pedigrees here that go back as far as Black Davey but that's it. Interestingly I looked at Plummers book a while back and seen that Cyril Breay confided in Wally Wyld that there was not one drop of bull blood in his terriers. Yet Rusty (a grandson of Black Davey's) was known to be aggressive with other dogs and would even attack a hound. When Breay offered him to Buck, Buck said no thanks. A smooth coated red or black terrier that went for other dogs would have lads saying it'
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Green Lurchers, instead of Likes we're going to have to start giving you Michelin Stars. I love liver but have never had a chicken liver and that dish looks delicious.
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You must have hung around with the peddlers from the mid-lands for too long Chesney, I'm surprised some off their many pups didn't come out pokka-dot.
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Not quiet sure I know what you're saying but although IMO I believe that a lot of good lines of black terriers have a line of white dogs back in their ancestory it's not always Jack Russell, some have Sealyham back in them. And are no worse for it either.
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Yes there is and it's well known. You're making assumptions the same as those who say every black terrier MUST have bull in it. Some of the best lines (if not thee best) lines of black terriers have a white line back in them.
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When it comes to taxidermy I'm old fashioned, masks, trophies etc. etc. but pieces like that bring the art to a whole new level.
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and at the end of the day it's the last 5 or 6 generations that are more important than terriers that were alive 40 plus years ago. But, having read just about everything that's ever been wrote about those 2 gentlemen and having seen or in my possession plenty of pedigrees of their terriers I would be surprised in Cyril Breay ever used a bull terrier or a terrier he knew had bull in it. Frank Buck on the other hand seemed to be a bit more of a maverick and might have, but again, I've never seen any evidence that he did. But I could be wrong ?
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Genuine question here Rob, but is there genuine evidence that Buck or Breay put bull into their family of terriers ? Real evidence I mean, I never listen to the old "you only have to look at them to see it" ?
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A fellow has a small business that employs 2 people, Mary and Jack. Time's got hard and he decides he has to let one of them go, but he can't decide on who. First into work the next morning is Mary, and she has a bad hangover. He says to her "Mary, I have to lay you or Jack off." She replies "Have yerself a wank then, I'm f****n' dying."
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AND ORDER HAS BEEN RESUMED,
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Great thread Jigsaw.
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Thanks Ian, I was starting to worry that if I started liking the lovehearts I might be turning a bit fruity, LOL
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Over all I like the new layout, but it just dawned on me when I gave a couple of well deserved "likes" that I gave out lovehearts. Is that not a bit gay on a site that is probably 90% male, and 50% of them are probably straight, LOL.
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2 lbs 4 oz .
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Seen it a few times. Ask any road bowler to throw a stone into a field and you'll be amazed.
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Woodcock-nice to see them back
neil cooney replied to tegater's topic in Driven, Walked Up, Rough Shooting
Flushed a woodcock on the opening day and if my memory serves right I've never seen one on the 1st before. Didn't get a shot though. -
I'll just quote that so you and everyone else can read it in the morning.
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Just after remembering another sandy encounter myself and Fatman had several years ago. We watched a brace and half of foxes leave a covert and go to ground. The dig was 6 or 7 foot deep, if I remember right, and we crowned through and had the terrier out and could see the foxes in front. We were about to start removing them when a lot of sand collapsed (about the size of a small car) and it wasn't safe for anyone to be near the hole and that was an unpleasant end. I think Fatman has dug it since.
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Good advice. If there's any doubt of the area having sandy earths then try and seek advice off of those who've been there before. If there's a chance of running sand IMO leave alone and sadly the way you often find out about running sand is when you find it for yourself. My only bad encounter with running sand was on a ten foot deep dig that collapsed causing me to end up in the tube with the terrier but thankfully the terriers head was still in the tube and all ended well. IMO hard terriers do not suit anywhere were sand might be encountered.
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Come on now FD, read your post again and think about it. You might see it's not true. If human error includes putting a terrier to ground because you might never see it again then every single one of us is guilty of that but I know that not what you meant. There are umpteen causes for loosing a terrier to ground that are out of the terriermans hands, even though there are several bad habits a lot of terriermen have that don't help a terrier. But I don't agree that a terrier being lost is always the terriermans fault, in fact it's a silly statement.
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Sounds to me like it was just another hunt but they were unlucky enough to have an anti nearby with a camera phone. Hounds cross gardens regularly without incident and most folk love the sight. I remember a Stag being taken several years ago in the field beside my house and to me it was an honour to be there.
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Thanks and you too. Did Frank Buck or Cyril Breay ever put pen to paper ? Certainly they were often wrote about but I don't think they wrote much, if anything ? And no one has said they were the "only terriermen of that decade" . They worked their terriers and had a major influence on the breeding of terriers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and to this day, Mr Breay having died in the 70s, Mr Buck the 90s, if memory serves me right. But it's nothing to be surprised about. Nearly every single breed or type of dog has one or two good breeders behind it, Take the Foxhound for instance.
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Every line of Patterdale or every type of terrier ? If you doubt that most fell lines go back to their dogs then I disagree. It's no secret that Frank Buck sold terriers and some of those who benefited by buying of him went on to sell plenty too and spread the gene pool and many of them were good workers. I would agree with the theory that most, not all, working coloured terriers in the world today have plenty of blood in them going back to Mr Breay and Frank Bucks terriers.
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Tom is recognised as an authority on brain tanning in the U.S. When I seen last week that he learned in from a book I laughed. But he does have a knack for doing things 100%. Make's you wonder how the native Americans discovered it in the first place ?
