that's why I asked the question.i have had several and the one I have now I am very happy with her. they are first class bushers, mooching dogs. she is a excellent marker and finder. picks a few up on 20 yard dashes. she spends more time in cover than out. this suits me fine. anyone wanting a dog for bolting to, daytime running and lamping will be disappointed.as mentioned above size and pace isn't suited to it.