All Kicked Off In Paris

[dare 1,103]

Didnt hear a single thing which he said that i disagree with . How what he said can be turned against ukip i don't know but i expect it...just shows what a world were living in.

[villaman 9,980]

We all can live in hope ,he will be this country next leader

[saluki bouy 635]

Don't know how anyone could not agree with the ansewars he gave or not be impressed by the way in which he ansewared. how anyone could say that we can't start profiling we can't start saying this is a problem with Islam and Muslims comunitys is beyond me! Anyone that's shows any signs of not intergrating or contempt for britian or it's values should be deported as with any illegals all immigration should be on a points system like Australia if you want a second year visa you should be made to have completed 4 months work in a sector of the economy that is struggling likeaustrilai have 3 months in rural industry because they can't get the labour force to do it. All forgein aid should be stopped completely 100/ I don't care if it's a case of "if we give them x amount they'll be thankfull when there economy improves they'll buy British etc" bullshit they'll take it till it improves then they'll still keep putting there hand out sniggering away to each other as they do it thinking stupid arses we don't need it but thanks alot Indian great example space programme and everything am sure they have even said they don't need it. Muslim community's should shun these people and push them out turn them into black sheep but they don't reason I see it is either they support them or they feel that these individuals hold to great a power within the comunitys and they themselves would be shuned or worse in all probability.

[General lee 979]

Why isn't this man running the country he makes more sense than any politician I've ever heard

[mackay 3,054]

To be fair though that wouldn't be difficult.

The big problem here, ignored I might add by left wing enthusiasts is that the worlds population is not moving at the same rate.

Whilst a lot of countries might boast nuclear power etc, the people in themselves are at a different time and place in life. Pakistan and India being the most obvious with a nuclear programme whilst receiving world aid to help feed their population.

Let's not be kidded, some of the muslim ideals don't differ that greatly from our own a couple of hundred years ago, many an atrocity was carried out in the western world in the name of religion and Christianity.

Difference being, we as a nation are more advanced and forward thinking and are now questioning things which our forefathers accepted readily.

We now have opened our doors to countries and peoples who are still heavily influenced by religion and this is where the problem arises.

This one size fits all attitude doesn't work, we are sending men on space missions whist there are still undiscovered tribes in the amazon baisin, whilst we all occupy the same planet, in reality we live in totally alien worlds.

Multiculturism is a total and utter failure.

[Truther 1,579]

Nigel Farage responds to the Paris attacks ....

 

 

Quote from 5;40

 

"That does not mean the vast majority of muslims living in Britain, France, Germany or the US are not law abiding, peaceable good human beings, who we would be happy to have as friends and next door neighbours"

 

In other words "same old same old" and "i wont get rid of the cheap labour force, no matter how many innocent people get killed by muslims"

 

Near the end its "new people coming to live here" and "we will have many years of these problems to come"

 

Does this sound like a bloke who's going to make any real difference, i don't think so.

[rodp 316]

 

Nigel Farage responds to the Paris attacks ....

 

 

Quote from 5;40

 

"That does not mean the vast majority of muslims living in Britain, France, Germany or the US are not law abiding, peaceable good human beings, who we would be happy to have as friends and next door neighbours"

 

In other words "same old same old" and "i wont get rid of the cheap labour force, no matter how many innocent people get killed by muslims"

 

Near the end its "new people coming to live here" and "we will have many years of these problems to come"

 

Does this sound like a bloke who's going to make any real difference, i don't think so.

 

OK, assuming you're correct, what can he do that would make the situation any worse ? he deserves a chance, then judge him.

You're presuming a lot in your statements, and non of it is fact yet. With the other parties it IS fact and there's no disputing that.

[downsview 439]

Have the French surrendered yet

[undisputed 1,664]

 

 

Paris attacks: unless we overcome fear, self-censorship will spread

 

 

We take on the powerful – and ask you to admire our bravery – only if they are not a paramilitary force that may kill us

 

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The Observer, Sunday 11 January 2015

 

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The Charlie Hebdo gunmen in the street.

The Charlie Hebdo gunmen in the street. Photograph: Anne Gelbard/AFP/Getty Images

 

 

We have a blasphemy law. No electorate has approved it. No parliament has passed it. No judge supervises its application and no jury determines guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There’s no right of appeal. And the penalty is death. It is enforced not by a police bound by codes of conduct, but by a fear that dare not speak its name; a cowardice so total it lacks the courage to admit it is afraid.

 

The British are the world’s worst cowards. It is one thing to say you don’t approve of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons. But the BBC, Channel 4 and many newspapers won’t run any images of Mohammad whatsoever. They would at least have acknowledged censorship if they had announced that they were frightened of attacks on their staff. They would have clung to a remnant of their honour if they had said: “We are not censoring out of respect. We loathe the murderers who enforce their taboos with Kalashnikovs. But we do not want to spend years living in hiding, as Salman Rushdie did. Or be stabbed in the street, as Theo van Gogh was. Or hear an Islamist smash at our door with an axe and cry: “We will get our revenge,” – as Kurt Westergaard did. So we are backing away.”

 

Admittedly, an honest admission that terror works would shred the pretence that journalists are fearless speakers of truth to power. But it would be a small gesture of solidarity. It would say to

everyone, from Pakistani secularists murdered for opposing theocratic savagery, to British parents worried sick that their boys will join Islamic State, that radical Islam is a real fascistic force.

 

Instead, most journalists have lived a lie for years, as have many in the arts, academia and comedy. We take on the powerful – and ask you to admire our bravery – if, and only if, the powerful are not a paramilitary force that may kill us.

 

The mass murder of cartoonists and police officers at Charlie Hebdo, and the attacks on Jews, which revive so many foul memories of European fascism, will change our world – almost certainly for the worst. Unless we find the courage to overcome fear, the self-censorship will spread, and not only in the media.

 

Colleagues who wanted historians at a London museum to talk about the long history of depictions of Muhammad in Islamic art last week were met with panicking press officers trying to shut them up. Historian Tom Holland, who received death threats after he challenged the creation myths of Islam, said: “I cannot think of any other area of history where debate is so nervous.” He hopes that historians will continue to say that the Koran was a manmade creation, but doubts that journalists will be keen to take their work to the public.

 

This is not a small capitulation. In the 19th century, the textual criticism of German scholars revealed that the supposed word of God in the Bible was a mess of competing stories. It did as much damage to Christianity and Judaism as Darwinism. Anyone hoping to repeat the exercise by taking apart the Koran and the hadiths today will be restrained by the fear that they will end up as dead as satirists who try to do the same with anti-clerical humour.

 

My friend and comrade Maajid Nawaz was a jihadi before he converted to liberalism and understands the totalitarian mind. He says that people still do not realise that radical Islamists do not just want to impose their taboos at gunpoint. They want to “create a civil war” so that European Muslims accept that they can only live in the caliphate; to encourage the rise of the white far-right so that ordinary coexistence becomes impossible. If they win one demand, as they are winning in Britain, then they will up the tension and move to another.

 

As soon as you look at demands rather than labels, the wall dividing extremists from the rest begins to crumble. Saudi Arabia is Britain’s trusted partner and ally. It receives vast quantities of armaments and in turn pumps propaganda into British mosques and universities. As Paris looked like a war zone, it flogged the Saudi liberal Raif Badawi for insulting Islam. At least they did not kill him, you might say. But if the religious courts had found him guilty of apostasy – that is, of taking the adult decision to abandon the religion of his childhood – the sentence would have been death.

 

European liberals ought to have stopped, as the lash fell on Badawi’s shoulders, and wondered about their queasiness at criticising the religions of the “powerless”and “marginalised”. The Saudi Arabian monarchy is all too powerful, as are the other dictatorships of the Middle East. Power depends on where you stand and who stands below you. The unemployed man with the gun is more powerful than the Parisian journalist. The marginal cleric may have a hard life, but if he sits in a sharia court imposing misogynist rules on British Muslim women he is to be feared.

 

European liberals might try to be true to their principles and ally with dissidents, liberals, leftists and free thinkers within Muslim communities. They might help ex-Muslims who fear that one day they will be murdered for apostasy. They might reflect that a Muslim man will encounter xenophobia from the right, but they will hear no rigorous criticism at university or other leftist institutions of the sexism, anti-semitism, homophobia and bloodlust of militant religion.

 

Self-interest ought to be a motivator. Fear of radical Islam is not only driving support for the National Front in France and Ukip here, but providing an excuse for more attacks on civil liberties, including, despite David Cameron’s pious words after Charlie Hebdo, attacks on freedom of speech.

 

I hope I am wrong, but I cannot see a culture shift on this necessary scale happening. I fear we must look forward to a lying and frightened future.

[kevin kiely 66]

It was on the mirror today

[fourlurchers 279]

as frazer says in dads army" aye were doomed " for offering tolerance to a proven barbaric religion hell bent on domination by any means and boy they invented the word barbaric if my past and recent history is correct ?

[bunny tickler 875]

i have a great respect for forage but this talk of ukip/conservative alliance will in my eyes just water his attitude down slimey cameron will still hold the reigns , nothings going to change lads

[Brigzy 1,298]

Farage has said many times he will not do a deal with Cameron in charge.

[Guest ragumup]

Truther the left keep telling us Nigel Farage is another Enoch Powell, do you know for a fact he isn't ..?

just saying

Edited January 11, 2015 by ragumup

[fourlurchers 279]

Truther the left keep telling us Nigel Farage is another Enoch Powell, do you know for a fact he isn't ..?

just saying

he speaks for plenty of folk who i might I add are not racist but have woke up to an evil in this country

Edited January 11, 2015 by fourlurchers