ive gave it a go aswell. the first one was ok but i looped through a previous loop and it f****d up, second one was perfect until i realised a slipped knot in the middle and tried to botch it which f****d it up more. third one was decent and useable and i started a fourth and thought, fcuk this, ill buy them! my fingers were in chunbks and i havent got the time now. i think ill just have a wee dabble in them every now and again to pass the time if i have any.