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Everything posted by p3d

  1. I agree Chesney but lucky enough there is still men that keep the line alive, which should be done so that they don't be lost to the KC crap you see today. Terriers done the work back in the day also but as Neil said the majority of terriers that provided the game for the trials never got a certificate as they wouldn't work as required in a shore, mainly because they were too hard and had to be lifted. Quite ironic Imo. Fox dogs won more certificates something I never agreed with. The terriers should have been judged properly in a bank on a dig but there's no point in crying over spilt milk be
  2. An early photograph of a KBT litter Also Kerry Blues were still trailed up to the 60's Later the Staff / Irish Staff were the most prominent at the trials. Working Wheatens were there as well but they were thought of as better in the field. I was talking to men at the Westmeath WTC show who remembered them and their work. To hear these men describe how the Wheaten excelled at manoeuvring corners while working reminded me how the guys who bred these dogs had such a high standard. But without a small Jack Russell to spend time sounding and allowing the dig to take p
  3. Len, Be careful what you wish for Working Wheatens are a liability in any yard. I have had the privilege to know men who championed the working Wheaten and see their dogs in the field. What sticks in my memory is an image of Sharks with legs! They are quiet as a lamb and in split second your Jack Russell is lifeless in front of you. That video was from a different era, we can admire those dogs and their history but IMO they struggle to have a place on these islands in todays hunting world. Perhaps on a different continent these game dogs will find work.
  4. You can get Blue Wheatens and also Wheaten Kerry Blues even today in litters. There are from the same root stock and the Irish Kennel Club (IKC) split them into two made up breeds. The colour is just a slight genetic difference. Even the Glen of Imaal was split from the same root stock, early litters could contain one of each type. The first Glen of Imaal show gives an image of the first Glens, they were much higher on the leg than the dwarf animals that we see today. IMO these three breeds are the same dog, just split by genetic differences by the IKC.
  5. The Westmeath WTC should be very proud of the event last Sunday, what a great day for working dogs and hunting in general. It was a great to meet like minded characters and exchange ideas about the dogs we breed. Working Terrier and Lurcher owners could get up to date information about Countryside insurance, Micro-chipping and IWTF membership. Not from the internet but face to face with representatives from these organisations, a few people even got their dogs chipped on the day. The prizes were second to none and Kevin, Pat and their families put in enormous work to arrange the show, 4
  6. Eastcoast, Spot on, they are a type of working dog, ugly as hell normally but we won't hold that against them.
  7. Brenners original question was Known Jack Russells, "one Eyed Jack " And "the General" Sums it up, These terriers were not related to Edwardes Sealyham Kennel and they had no relation to Rev. John Russells kennel either. They are a rough Russell / Sealyham type. We have to call them something. The type of burrow that they work the quarry in dictates the size of the dog.
  8. I don't think it's been tested in court yet but in theory even with the changes to the DDA you should be fine if they were on your property unlawfully. Of course never say your dog is a guard dog, it's just a pet that lives in the yard I'd think really carefully before getting a dog to guard dogs, if your dogs get out of the kennel will they try and fight the guard or vice versa? I used to keep bandogs to guard my bulldogs until one of my bulldogs got loose and decided he wanted to take on two 110lb bandogs came home to one very dead dog and two banged up bandogs. I personally won't use dogs
  9. Kev, Really looking forward to Sunday. Attached see the perpetual trophy spade that Barrie Wade is sending over. It will be engraved for the "Best Entered Terrier". Barrie sends his appreciation for all the hard work that Yourself and Pat have put into this show and to send his regards to all the lads. By preserving terrierwork in Ireland ye are also helping to protect it in the UK as well. "United we Stand" Barrie has been with us from the beginning and this is a fantastic endorsement of the Westmeath Working Terrier Club show. A true gent.
  10. Great news Kev, must pay mine on the day
  11. Two zig, IMO There is a lot of experience and training that only a good vet has mastered in their lifetime, for a question like yours it would be best finding and asking a good vet. Once you are satisfied with the answer you can go about getting your medicine of choice. Not necessarily from a vet, there are a lot of low cost versions of these medicines out there. But be sure that you know, what medicine, for what condition, how much of a dose and importantly with antibiotics, whether it is required at all. If you are unsure about any of these questions, take the dog to the vet.
  12. The Westmeath Working Terrier Club put on a great show and the I.W.T.F are proud to be associated with them. Looking forward to a great day, if last year is anything to go by it will be the working dog show of the summer.
  13. Ivomec Classic For the treatment of; gastro-intestinal nematodes, lung-worms, heart-worm, eye-worms, warbles, mange mites, Ticks and lice. Active Ingredients Invermectin........ 5mg/ml S.E.S.K.U. The dosage for oral or injectable is 0.1mg for a 22b(10kg) dog like a terrier. BUT when poured onto the skin a lot of the product is not absorbed, it attached to the hair or driers on the surface. That is why the dosage appears higher for the pour on version. I have used this for over 3 years at the 1ml pour on dose with no adverse affects. It
  14. There are a lot of great terriermen out there, the trick is separating men who are in it for the dogs and........those who are in it for their own ego.
  15. Rabbit Hunter, I think you have captured the truth in one post. Would the black scottie type dog that Buck owned have contributed to the colour taking hold? The reason I ask is John Park told me recently that he believed that dog was a factor in the change of colour to all black in the rough coated fell terrier, it became dominant over the Reds and B&T's. I don't think there are many men alive today who have stayed true to the lines of Fell / Lakeland terrier as much as John. I had the pleasure of meeting him last summer and chatting about the old lines, a true gentleman and a
  16. Shamo, These posts would do that to you. Science and genetics mean very little to dreamers, Hearsay and stories rather than Photographs as evidence or Printed media that would have been checked by hunting men in their day. Pure Patterdales...?
  17. Printer, That is the best bit of history that has been put up on this site for a long time. If you zoom in on the image , on the bottom right hand corner, he mentions Brindle as a colour that was found in the Lowther kennels. The article itself sheds a lot of light on the breeding programs of some of the hunt kennels when it comes to their terriers. The documents mentioned at Lord Lonsdales kennel and one of the hunt kennels must be available somewhere. Lowther Castle library should have them if they took so much care of them for hundreds of years. ATB P3D.
  18. Taz2010, Have you ever heard or seen a brindle colour coming through in these Fell terriers litters?
  19. King, You are not alone, nobody is clued up on Patterdale history, IMO it does not exist as history should at least be older than one mans lifetime. The men who created the smooth black terrier strain are still alive. Right now what these men know as the truth is NEWS. When they are gone, it may become history. I met one of these men at a show in Ireland recently, a gent as far as I could see. He had a van with pups for sale, no problem, if he wants to make a few pound from his dogs thats his choice. But it struck me that it would be great if that man or his friends could wr
  20. So could to days patterdales be defined as a bull X.p3d... King, I don't know if I would call them a Bull X, IMO They have Bull blood in them and some strains more than others. What defines them is their ability to work, and men who have them in their yard know better then anyone how good these dogs are. My opinion is that a terrier strain that has bull X in its past does not make them any less a terrier. Brindle in a strain gives a clue that bull is in the ancestry, Very tight smooth coats are another clue. Head and jaw size are also a giveaway. Let us not fool ourselves t
  21. This is the "original Patterdale terrier". It looks nothing like the dogs with that name today. Its funny how there are no photographs of smooth Black working terriers before the 70's. If anyone has a photograph of a SMOOTH black working terrier perhaps they could post it on here. When Lucas wrote his book in the 30's, he listed every type of working terrier known to man. Shelbourne terriers and rare welsh types , even terriers from the US and Africa. BUT not a single paragraph of a smooth black working terrier. Strange really. Lets call a spade a spade........the fell
  22. "South Munster" Working Terrier Club. Founded pre 1977 in Cork. One of the founding clubs of the original Irish Working Terrier organisation than ran the trials. members; F. Longfield, P. and J.Manning, Tom ("Tarzan" from Blarney), and a couple of young lads. Meetings held at the "Fox and Hounds " bar on the Northside of Cork City. A great club to learn about working terriers and strong dogs, good days to remember. I could be corrected on the name of the club, its a good while ago.
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