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    Glyn, Thank you for the reply, Then he may have known the breeding but decided or was asked to keep it to himself. Strange way to operate when he was writing out pedigrees to pass on with the pups BUT each to their own. As for the quote, The man could put the record straight about that in seconds. He has been interviewed multiple times since that quote was used. As I said in the previous post, it was not 100 years ago, the man is here now. Thanks anyway, better let the post get back to talking about Wheeler dogs.
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    It was a question relating to a post showing a Wheeler bitch? (Tess) that someone said was bred to a BN dog. But work away with the Wheeler post, the question will come up again ?
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    Glyn, Why would BN not know the name of these Borders, if he thought highly enough of the Dogs to breed from them would he not know a lot about them. This was back in the 80's/90's, not the storneage. He could easily phone around and get the background or as he was going around the show circuit he could have asked lads about these Borders. Photographs would exist and their working history would be well known, where they hunt terriers from one of the famous hunts, where they owned by a man who could still be alive? Not exactly a long time ago (for a certain age group). BN was quoted that h
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    This might finally explain the missing “Border line” that appears in Nuttals pedigrees in the 80’s. Photographs like these are invaluable in any strains history. I could never believe that BN would know the names of dogs in his line going back decades from Breay and Buck but could only write “Border dog and Border bitch” for the missing line. Something was not right with those pedigrees. It was obvious to dog men that bull was added, but denied again and again by Patterdale owners. Perhaps this is the missing link?
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    Glyn, A veey honest and knowledgeable post. Dont be surprised if you get pushback on the addition of a bit of hard stuff that is not in fhe peds. A lot of blind people around when it comes to pedigrees. Good luck with your prpject, looking forward to reading it.
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    Glyn, What year would that ad have been posted?
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    Rebel, This setup worked for me. Cut the base of the bench so that it is a snug fit against the sides and back of the house. Attach a board to the front of the base. Fit an aluminium profile to the top of this board. (you can get these in different sizes in B&Q) Screw the profile to the top of the board. You end up with a wooden bench with one one exposed edge and this is protected.
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    Not many in my opinion. If you look at the Irish kennel club breeds, only the odd few Wheaten or Glen of Imaal terriers may be seen in the field today. The Irish and Kerry blue terriers were never really used as we know the breed now. The original Irish terrier was a very small digging dog, probably even smaller than a red fell terrier today. Original Irish terriers when introduced into the kennel club had two show classes for under or over 7 pound (3kg). So an ideal fox type terrier size.The Irish terrier and Kerry Blue today are not working dogs. The Wheaten and Glen are from the
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    LOL, that about sums it up. First rule of the Cork white line......there is no Cork white line Second rule...... there is no second rule.
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    Allymoore, Just my opinion but I think "Northsider" has written that his line had become too close, he looked outside and was offered Tip to trial and breed from if it suited. The qualities required that would show up at trial would be....Work, Work and bloody Work, whether he would produce had to be a gamble when bred into a different working line. I don't think that there were any genetic links to Tip. He produced and the rest is history. Tip is in the lines of only a small number of lines in Cork. Some kennels prefer it this way. Northside would be able to give a better answer I am
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    You are in great company in that last photo Kev. Excellent pics.
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    R.I.P. I enjoyed his books, he was clear that different types of workers could be useful to a hunt terrierman and not afraid to say it. Another great loss to the terrier world. Condolences to his family and friends.
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    Do you mean all terriers or just Cork terriers? The original Irish terriers ( the red show dog today) had 2 classes at the first shows in the 1870's Under 7 lb and over 7 lb Captain Edwards favourite "Sealyham" weighed 12 lb. The Border terrier Fury weighd 12 lb in 1905 Terriers have definitely become bigger. "Horses for courses" is an old saying that applies to terriers as well. It depends on what the breeder needs.
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    TT, This is just my opinion. I'm sure if you go back through the lines from certain kennels you will find different types including a Glen and others. There is Fell (A John Park bred dog called Fury), English Bull and Staff (Many times), White lakeland (it is claimed in the famous Tip) Back in the 70's men will remember Pedigree Wire and Smooth Fox terriers that made their way into working kennels. If they worked well they were kept, simple as that. These are not pedigree dogs like some modern terriers. Outcrossing to a working dog that may not have the same colour or coat type i
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    TT, This is just my opinion. I'm sure if you go back through the lines from certain kennels you will find different types including a Glen and others. There is Fell (A John Park bred dog called Fury), English Bull and Staff (Many times), White lakeland (it is claimed in the famous Tip) Back in the 70's men will remember Pedigree Wire and Smooth Fox terriers that made their way into working kennels. If they worked well they were kept, simple as that. These are not pedigree dogs like some modern terriers. Outcrossing to a working dog that may not have the same colour or coat type
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    Buster 01.jpg They look like old style russells, there is no set type. Smooth,Rough coated, Prick, drop ears, tall, short. What they share IMO is a history of working to a high standard. Kennels that keep a focus on work over looks. Hes coming on well p3d his head is very like the fathers seen trump the other day shes a fine bitch..the bitch pup was 6 months yest..she the spit double of her ma..gona be big and strong. If she works as well you will have a winner, stick up a photo if you want, A lot of good Cork white lines in the North now.
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    Buster 01.jpg They look like old style russells, there is no set type. Smooth,Rough coated, Prick, drop ears, tall, short. What they share IMO is a history of working to a high standard. Kennels that keep a focus on work over looks. the pup looks very relaxed enjoying the sun.. pd3 what line is it from?? Northsider maybe ?? Back a ways to Northsider and back to old John Br........ stuff. Line recorded goes back to the 60's, the original stuff. So credit goes to those men who kept faith in the dogs they had. Relaxed and smart type of dogs in the kennel. He needs to live up to
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    They look like old style russells, there is no set type. Smooth,Rough coated, Prick, drop ears, tall, short. What they share IMO is a history of working to a high standard. Kennels that keep a focus on work over looks.
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    Poster for the show show this year. Should be another great day.
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    If it suits them to do it that way, what harm. Trials were held in the past in Ireland that were only slightly better for sounders. 5 minutes barking at quarry in a tunnel (Shore) for a certificate. But they were a social occasion as well. Before the internet and mobile phones a way to meet up. If there are people who are wiling to get out there ratting, trials, bushing it is all good IMO. Maybe not what I want to do, but every man to his own poison.
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    Some very good posts on this thread. These are just a couple of personal thoughts, I do not like the idea of kennels with lower half permanently sheeted, in effect the dogs can only see out the front OR get a view of the sky. Definitely avoid blocks on the bottom half, soaks and stinks in a short time. Hard to wash down IMO. I would prefer to have two separate panels between each kennel, about 250mm / 10 inches apart. If your dogs do not get wound up with each other, happy days and the ventilation and view for the dogs across the kennels is open. If you have a pair that get w
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    A book that tells of the hardship of life and the toughness of the people in the Lake district. Great photo of Joe Wear with some of his terriers and stories about John Peel. Details of fell hounds but more importantly the people who live there. I enjoyed the story of the very young kids in pre-school drawing for a new teacher from the south of England. She thought there was something wrong when she saw they were all colouring the sky as plain grey. Where she came from the kids coloured it blue with a big yellow sun. The head teacher gave her the heads up, not much sunny days up here.
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    Too true, When Ji Mu from Cork got one of the first Borders from the North in the late 70's. I remember as a young lad my friends and I went and stared over his hedge at it.
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    That type of dog, bred for that type of work has not changed much in nearly 50 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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    Good post, If you do get the chance would you put up those photos' of your grandads old dogs. Just interested in the type. I never heard of that type before. You learn something new every day :-) It would make you wonder why Mr. Breay would say that he brought bitches up to Northumberland to breed off them.
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