I'm convinced that when a father or parents don't give in and give up you can make a decent human. When you hear that well we had to as all their friends do or I don't get a say or it's pointless fighting it. I just think well my kids are all, so I'll be the b*****d and they'll turn out alright. I honestly think half the population think the state is responsible for how there kids do in life , I'm in benefit street and I think there's a few that will do alright mostly from hard knocks , mine are up the allotment messing about atm, I guess we're fairly strict manners what knot but they will tha