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Everything posted by Deker
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Got a left and a right with the airgun recently, who needs a shotgun!?
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It's an air rifle scope, how far do you need to see, and fitted on a PCP how robust does it need to be? Of course you need it to work, be reliable and be clear at the distances you shoot but.............. I simply don't get these sort of threads, we are not talking about a .308 shooting at 1000yards. Get over it, there are plenty of budget scopes, and plenty in the Hawke range that will be more than capable. If you want to put £2k and 2lb of Nightforce on there feel free, but you will lighten your pocket considerably and increase the weight on your arms, and get no better results
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Almost any half decent pistol will be fine, and you certainly don't need/want a full 6ft lb offering for dealing with caged rats/squirrels at close range. As for putting in pellets the wrong way round, a practice I have never been easy with, and one that will in the majority of cases reduce the overall power output. Shot placement is important, especially with a squirrel, and anyone who has tried will know fully well they seldom stay still long. If you must use a hollow point, then may I suggest you buy some, any debate about accuracy is somewhat pointless when shooting at just a few i
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Topic suggests rats and squirrels, as others have said, even forgetting moral issues, there are legal issues with that comment!
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I can't even remember what my 12 ft lb was without regulator, but what is the reservoir rated at? I don't think mine was even 200bar fill, no doubt someone will will enlighten me, the memory cells are dying quickly at my age, but a 250bar fill is not common on many rifles, and the reservoir needs to be able to handle it too! Seems high to me, but I may well be getting mixed up, anyone out there got the real figures!
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Lets not start the .22/.177 debate again. There is nothing wrong with a 12ft lb .22 for the bunnies, they are very popular/capable. As for shot placement, much will depend on ammo type/distance/quality of gun/quality of shooter/etc. Frankly, with an Ultra I would never consider getting it FAC, mine was pants in 12 ft lb, went back twice for seals and I still think the loading/cocking system is daft...but it is near the bottom price end of PCPs, and mine did work ok in the end, but I'd had enough by then and it went.
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Rabbit Round Least Affected By Wind
Deker replied to let'sshoot's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Every calibre/ammo is effected by the wind, you need to get used to the wind whatever rifle you shoot. Head shooting rabbits at 100 yards with HMR, even in the wind, is not that difficult if you can read the wind/ammo. Ok, there are less wind effected rounds but so what, the reality is they will all be more powerful/expensive. And it is easy to head shoot rabbits/anything with a centrefire and leave them edible, you simply have to wait for the right shot to present, but pretty much the same can be said for most ammo, inc the HMR! Bunny bashing for pest control is easy with the HMR -
just concerned on the crack it will give off compared to the hornet as I would prefer to keep the noise down to a minimum really you can get a lot for your money on the 222 though As CC has said, the difference in noise is hardly noticeable, and certainly not a game changer in my opinion. But it's a .222 not a Hornet, where do you stop?
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Go for it then, for a bit more punch/range than rimfires they can be very useful, and stick with the .22. Pretty much everything has been said here, centrefire ammo costs more than rimfire, fact of life, but a .22lr and a Hornet can be a very useful combination for lots of people for vermin control.
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Tikka T3 .308 Zeiss Conquest Dl Asv
Deker replied to jacknife's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
It's pretty obvious Something isn't right, perhaps a phone call/trip back to the dealer! -
Does make you wonder how we got here with a thread heading Fox Control with a .22, but in fairness I am as much to blame as anyone for this threads meandering path!
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I totally agree in principle with your comments, and I'm down south, I have a pal here who had .243 for many years simply for Fox, he wanted to add deer and the region insisted on a mentor...that was me, crazy situation. We have shot together many years now, in the field and on the range and this particular gent now shoots for Team GB and was our highest placed shooter at the Europeans a few weeks back. Funny old world.
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So is 22lr the 'certain circumstances' bit and 22wmr as normally acceptable? Clearly so in my opinion, the Home Office have .22 rimfire and .22lr confused, in 13.25. It is clear enough in the table/notes, which has specific mention of .22lr, WMR and HMR! No doubt something many will want to debate for many pages yet to come. :laugh: As I said, it is a Guide anyway, I had FOX specifically listed on my first FAC against .22lr, and have had ever since, until it changed to AOLQ.
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Deker, do you have a link to the latest one? Would be good to quote perfectly and send to my FEO. I was always under the impression it stated something along the lines of "less than 50yards for an experienced shot" Basically it'll save me having to apply for a 223 and then having to fork out for another rifle, mounts, glass, bipod and pricey ammo... Edit: google was my friend and found it immediately - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363016/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_v10_-_Oct_2014.pdf As you have probably seen the table on page 10
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Deker, do you have a link to the latest one? Would be good to quote perfectly and send to my FEO. I was always under the impression it stated something along the lines of "less than 50yards for an experienced shot" Basically it'll save me having to apply for a 223 and then having to fork out for another rifle, mounts, glass, bipod and pricey ammo... Edit: google was my friend and found it immediately - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363016/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_v10_-_Oct_2014.pdf Actually Deker, what you've said there isn't ent
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The latest Home Office guide lists both HMR and WMR as suitable for fox, it is of course a guide, but if you have an issue with your region not granting fox for your WMR perhaps you should ask them why as the Home Office says its ok!
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Much of the 55/58g factory ammo is close to 4000ft sec, and can certainly be loaded to above that speed. As a foxing tool (if you need a .243 for foxes) this is the ammo to use in my opinion, so it is pretty hot! Rifles wise, there really isn't much difference in rifle performance these days for field use. You need to be happier about feel, weight, balance, fit etc., and if you can get a good Parker Hale you will be on a winner!
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...and there we have it, yet another .22lr and fox thread to add to all the others! ATB!
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Charlie, That is my point, it is a matter of selecting the right tool for the job, that is not always a centrefire, many people shoot a lot of close foxes, phrases like .............at 60 yards there are far better tools to kill a fox/dog, nobody can argue with that ................ are not necessarily true, and in some cases definitely untrue and easy to argue with....oh.... and sometimes a shotgun prevails!
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You have fallen into the incorrect, generalisation trap, 60 yards from what, the sleeping farmer, the stables with schizophrenic horses, the neighbours fence, the neighbours front door, etc etc? Shooting foxes at close range in many environments using a cannon is counter productive and even dangerous. On many of the jobs I do the fox is 60 yards or less, commonly a lot less, so what makes a centerfire a far better tool for the job here? The mere fact I can shoot from the hip, hit it anywhere and it falls down?! There are very few centrefires whos ammo will not go clean through a fox a
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YES is the answer, but that's a bit dumb, why would you want to put it down 50-60 yards away? Anyone who looks after their gun, uses the right ammo and is a competent shot should be able to clover leaf a .22lr at 50-60 yards. Most Sub Sonic ammo is producing circa 80ft lb at that distance, more than enough to drop a dog (or fox or person) on the spot, if your keeper has an issue with this so be it, but some of us are perhaps a little more competent! 50 yards
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In the normal course of events you need a .22 Centrefire with a muzzle energy of over 1000 ft/lbs, etc for CWD and Muntjac. Its legal to use a .22lr on any deer under the right conditions, but you need to be very clear on those conditions, the Deer Act Amendment will be helpful in this!
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It is fine, for some reason a section of shooters think foxes are only shot in the next county and a centrefire is essential. That is dogs doings, there are many people who take close range foxes on a regular basis round farms, chicken coups, stables, back gardens, etc etc and a rimfire (commonly a .22lr) is the right tool, a centrefire would commonly Not be the right tool in these situations. Whatever your police region may or may not let you use is another matter, and frankly has no bearing whatsoever on the ability of a .22lr used in the right situation.
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