Deker
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A CZ at half the price will continue to produce the goods for years. No need to make excuses for buying a gun you fancy! Why the 14" barrel specifically? Why are you trying to keep this very short, there are plenty of Better, and often much cheaper mods than a Whisper,
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You have a selective memory, vivid imagination, make inaccurate statements and then blame others for your shortcomings. The floor is yours, I'm bored with you!
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No assumptions on ballistics Deker. Find yourself "The Book of the .22" published in the 1950's and you'll find a book of detailed ballistic gel testings running to 100's of pages on every single .22 round in existence at that time shot with high speed cameras at millisecond intervals, and then you can see for yourself the differences between terminal performance of different rounds from .22 short right up through .22 Hornet. These are not like many of the amateur high speed gel photos you see on the web where the frame doesn't necessarily refelct the pinnacle of the rounds performance, bu
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Is there no end to your guesswork, assumption and internet ramblings?!
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He needs to know that this happens sometimes, and from what I can make of this he hasn't caused the bunny any pain or suffering, it was dead with the first shot, there is nothing to get upset about. If he had shot it up the arse it may have been a different matter, but he didn't. -
You would do us all a favour if you stopped reading so much and actually got a rifle and tried shooting, you would soon find that not everything you read is correct! Like it or not, some of us have been doing this for many years, but you will find few, if any, suggest we are experts, you never stop learning in this game. The difference is, many here have actually been out and gained a lot of experience of numerous guns, ammo, calibres, quarry, effects, etc over the years. Unlike some who have been out with a mate once or twice and fill their head with interweb articles.
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The brain had gone into overdrive as mentioned in an earlier post, sending out random messages all over the place, it was dead, hence why 3 further shots made little or no difference, you can't kill something again when it is already dead! Which is why if you break the neck and sever the communication lines between brain and body, it will stop! Indeed , but in the technicalities of this thread it is already dead, so you are not killing it again. Lord knows how/why but I have shot, killed, cleaned, skinned, head and boots off rabbits before, totally ready for the pot and in a c
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Thank you for confirming everything I said, especially the bit about a FMJ. No .22lr FMJ, what are you talking about, FMJ is simply a wide term for a lead bullet coated in another metal, there are plenty of solid, copper coated .22lr around, " Sorry but that's incorrect. An FMJ ot TMJ is a bullet wrapped in thin copper or other metal sheet which is then bonded to the inner lead core Just which part of my comment is incorrect? Are you seriously trying to make something of the words bonded and coated in relation to the speed/heat/energy of a .22lr.? What planet are you
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As above, scope, reticles, magnification, objective size, etc., etc., is way to personal. Get what suits you. Personally I would say be careful of scope weight on a air rifle, other than that its down to you.
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To even the balance a little as there are several here who don't have a good word for Hawke. For most people in most situations they are fine. I had one which got replaced, but I currently have, and use, 4 different Hawke scopes, for the majority of work Hawke are perfectly adequate, and I have no need/plans to replace/upgrade the four I currently use. If you want to dial in a lot then perhaps you need to invest more, but as regards holding zero then mine are fine. ATB!
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I am more than a little confused about some comments on this thread. Lets take the often quoted chicken situation, as it runs around the enclosure after its head was cut off! It is dead and it is NOT feeling any pain......... do you shoot it several times because you can see it was in absolute agony (just exactly how do you know that).......... or to............. put it out of its misery (and how is that achieved when it is already dead) ?
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And I take it you do that while its doing backflips and jumping about? The John Wayne of the airgun world... As said each situation is different in that case it would be quickly picked up and despatch end by hand. Either way has it's place and basic common sense tells you which is appropriate at the time. Obviously not , pianoman didn't say it was doing back flips and jumping in the air clapping did he You have got read each situation, when something happens like that and take the quickest method of despatch and most of the time that is with another pellet to the head So less of
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And I take it you do that while its doing backflips and jumping about? The John Wayne of the airgun world... To be honest, as I read the OP I was somewhat confused as to how these additional shots were delivered to an animal doing gymnastics!
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The brain had gone into overdrive as mentioned in an earlier post, sending out random messages all over the place, it was dead, hence why 3 further shots made little or no difference, you can't kill something again when it is already dead!
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Why don't you stop thinking and guessing and ASK CCI? It is patently obvious YOU (not WE) have decided what the problem is, and for someone who hasn't even got a FAC or own a HMR, I find it rather interesting that single handed, you have solved the HMR ammo problem that the manufacturers haven't in well over 10 years.
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The OP wants rabbits for his friends snake. Who said anything about guaranteeing no lead trace? We have been eating game with lead shot in it for years, We have also been eating rabbits shot with lead bullets for years, why has that not been banned under H&S? No .22lr FMJ, what are you talking about, FMJ is simply a wide term for a lead bullet coated in another metal, there are plenty of solid, copper coated .22lr around, and who said anything about using FMJ anyway?!
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From all accounts it's the ammo not the rifles at fault. Appears to be poor quality control. It is the "manufacturing process", with perhaps a sprinkling of QC on top. If it was simply QC this problem would have been resolved 10 years+ ago. Yeah it's a combination of factors no doubt but to my mind it's still a quality control issue. There are allegedly issues with production, but if the quality control was better, then surely these damaged cases would never make it to production. So far as we appear to know, the issue appears to be ammo with cracked cases making it to
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Everyone must use whatever target works for them to zero, personally I knock these up and find them excellent, couldn't be any simpler and loads of aim/zero points on each A4 sheet, straight off the printer.
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It doesn't matter a fig, so long as the bullet consistently arrives in the right place.
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How big is this friends snake, how many rabbits does it need? HP sub sonic ammo tends not to fragment, on the whole it will expand and deform depending on what it hits. An ear to ear headshot will most commonly pass clean through anyway, depending on distance. If you are that concerned, try placing the bullet elseware, where it will still kill but will be more likely to pass through. Another easy option is to use solid ammo, people forget that up to not that many years ago a solid 40g Sub was the staple bunny round. Edit Reading the OP again I'm a tad confused, why is
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From all accounts it's the ammo not the rifles at fault. Appears to be poor quality control. It is the "manufacturing process", with perhaps a sprinkling of QC on top. If it was simply QC this problem would have been resolved 10 years+ ago.
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I have to say I'm with you here. The HMR has it's issues, well the ammo does anyway, this is without doubt appalling and potentially dangerous, SO BE CAREFUL. It isn't Russian roulette as someone mentioned, it is normal safety procedures. With all due respect to all users, a squib load can happen with ANY calibre, it may be more likely to happen with a HMR, but if normal safety procedures applicable to any calibre are followed there is not going to be a problem.
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Glad you are still in one piece. That is fairly remarkable and obviously bad news. I have heard reports of the odd magazine blowing out, but that is by far the worst rifle damage I have seen/heard of.
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So if it was wondering around your street and garden and took a liking to your pets and children that would be ok would it?
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What Deer Calibre For First Deer Rifle.
Deker replied to shropshire dan's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Just think how dangerous that would have been if he was using a .22lr with subs....
