for the alaunt guys

[luke 2]

Those are big feckers. I cannot see any breed of dog taking those single handed I can however see those wolfs taking most dogs single Handed especially if there hungry Have they been known to take domestic dogs for food Dan?

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

this stag must be some machine of a dog tell me how your stag manages to get a coyote by the throat without geting bit and without shakeing it becouse surely when the coyote trys to bite the dog he shakes or does he just get bit and you said some grayhounds can do the job aswell come off it if a grayhound can do the job then surely most lurchers of any breed will do the job aswell

 

He trips them and when they go to jump again he swings in from the side, throats, and then rolls just like all the other good stags do. Most lurchers couldnt catch them unless they have quite a bit of greyhound in them in my opinion. I dont need to argue with yall, I can show you that my dog will throat them coyotes quickly by himself and not take stick.

can you put a couple of pics of your stag up becouse this sounds some dog what weight is your stag

 

There are plenty of picks of him on here right now. He has one mark on his muzzle that you can see at certain angles, no others that are noticeable. The mark he has came from his own son on a coyote caught about a month ago that just wont heal cause he keeps knockin the scab off. His own son went to pin the head or get the throat just like his daddy and bit his daddy down through the muzzle. Uphilldoc owns a litter mate to this young dog actually and he is a straight head dog just like his sire. He had caught 8 out of the 9 last coyotes he has been "slipped" on. 6 out of the 8 that he took were single handed all by himself. He caught them all and flipped them over and took the throat immediately. The other day he made his first bobble since I had him and that was my fault. I ran him back to back on two yotes single handed and the second one damn near got away but he showed his true colors and finally got lucky and get him flipped and pinned. He actually got bit at the very end there which kind of pissed him off I guess cause then he pinned the yote after a little flip. You cannot see where he got bit though cause it was very minor. They are specialists, they dont fight shit, they just kill it. I didnt raise him, I got him from a friend that has caught over 200 coyotes with him and he aint even 3 yet. He is actually a big cry baby. If you scold him or grab him by the neck and say get over here, he whines like a little shool girl. I dont care though cause he does his job and thats killing coyotes.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Here he is on a 30 plus pound male coyote. He caught it within a couple hundred times. Grabbed it by the back left leg and flipped it asshole over appetite and when it quit flippin he had already had the throat and rolled and came up exactly in the position he is standing in and held it right like this until it was over with.

[undisputed 1,664]

2 0R THREE AMARICAN PITS OR/DOGOS WOULD DO A WOLF IF THEY WERE BACKED IN A CORNER WITH IT NO PROBS

 

 

Been waiting on a reply like this....dream on! what kind of wolves are they Dan...cracking pics!

[undisputed 1,664]

Big old lumps they wolves right enough,id say they would take a bit of killing for any breed of dog...even if they could come to terms with them from a slip at any kind of distance...but what about a decent brace or more of sound working deerhounds that are of the type of the original stuff bred to cover some right harsh ground in the expance of the highlands of Scotland that were originally bred to hold or pull down big red stags and dare i say it,prob used to kill the wolves that once upon a time roamed up there,as the deerhound is old breed that must of seen the sharp end of wolves when they were about there in these harsh places.

 

I know these types of deerhounds are a bit of rarity these days but they do still exist and see a fair bit of work but these days are not truly used to their strengths killing a fox like a terrier would do shaking a rat...very very easy for these powerfull hounds with the tools to cover the ground to maybe come to terms with a wolf aswell.....maybe not but just another breed to chuck into the mix of a possible breed with the tools to maybe stop a wolf ??

 

Would be good to hear the opinions from lads with far more knowledge of the working pure deerhounds than myself.

 

 

There's a lot of folklore about deerhound types killing wolves Gelert is the one I remember some Welsh king I think had it.....great story..there are still working strains of deerhound to be found around the scottish borders....not sure the wolf in question was the size of dans

[Malt 379]

Big old lumps they wolves right enough,id say they would take a bit of killing for any breed of dog...even if they could come to terms with them from a slip at any kind of distance...but what about a decent brace or more of sound working deerhounds that are of the type of the original stuff bred to cover some right harsh ground in the expance of the highlands of Scotland that were originally bred to hold or pull down big red stags and dare i say it,prob used to kill the wolves that once upon a time roamed up there,as the deerhound is old breed that must of seen the sharp end of wolves when they were about there in these harsh places.

 

I know these types of deerhounds are a bit of rarity these days but they do still exist and see a fair bit of work but these days are not truly used to their strengths killing a fox like a terrier would do shaking a rat...very very easy for these powerfull hounds with the tools to cover the ground to maybe come to terms with a wolf aswell.....maybe not but just another breed to chuck into the mix of a possible breed with the tools to maybe stop a wolf ??

 

Would be good to hear the opinions from lads with far more knowledge of the working pure deerhounds than myself.

 

 

There's a lot of folklore about deerhound types killing wolves Gelert is the one I remember some Welsh king I think had it.....great story..there are still working strains of deerhound to be found around the scottish borders....not sure the wolf in question was the size of dans

make you wonder what the wolfhounds of old must have been like. They must have been some fecking beasts!

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Up in parts of Canada they still have some of them older "types" of wolfhounds you speak of and they were rough according to a buddy of mine. Big old 100 pound dogs that stand probably 32 inches or better at the shoulder and they can just lope up on a coyote and pin one down pretty easy. Some say though that they aint fast enough for them out of the dump boxes alot of these guys use cause it has almost become a competition with some gents over here to see whose dog can get to the coyte the fastest. Problem is that alot of these kinds of dogs get their ass handed to them or will just trip the yote and then back off. A complete cull in my book.

[bird 9,594]

Here he is on a 30 plus pound male coyote. He caught it within a couple hundred times. Grabbed it by the back left leg and flipped it asshole over appetite and when it quit flippin he had already had the throat and rolled and came up exactly in the position he is standing in and held it right like this until it was over with.

 

Well Done Dan + stag, Top dogs.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I meant yards, not times. I dont even know where that can from. LOL!

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

if they can do that a PACK of leggy well muscled thick skinned hard boned highly aggressive dogs in the 100-130# range should be able to stretch a single grey. by pack i mean a group of at least 5 dogs that will not string out & go their own way but stay together & fight together.

i firmly believe their are dogs that can kill the average grey solo, but they are far from common maybe 1 in 30,000 within certain breeds of the same size as the grey like boerboels, bullykuttas, dogos & ovtchartkas. the dog that can kill the large wolves are maybe 1 in 100,000. most importantly the dog that can survive the battle after a solo kill would be 1 in 500,000 to maybe 1 in a million. but such a dog that can do this AND run the wolf down would be as common as unicorns. realistically a solo dog isn't an option but i think pack dogs that can course or trail & kill these wolves would require 20 years of hard breeding & working just to get to the starting point. just my opinion & worth what you paid for it.

 

 

 

 

I know a hard hunting coyote hunter that said at one time he had about 6 dogs that he knows would have stretched one of them 120 pound type wolves. He said though that it would be almost impossible to ever get a dump on them cause they just dont hang around for you to get near them. He also said though that he would want to truck the wolf for quite awhile to make sure his stamina was at least a little busted and he would want a dump from no more than 50 yards so that they could trip get the throat and stretch and get his feet off the ground so he would not have much leverage to snap his dogs legs or tear their chests apart and such. He said it would be imparitive that all the dogs get their at the same exact time and thats why the real close 50 yard dump. Take it for what its worth but that comes from a guy that has caught more coyotes than most others put together.

 

love the comment about unicorns pops, I had to re read your enitre post twice, and I like it now

[Guest dances]

my mates bullx would smash one of those wolves no problem.... they just look big...

 

choco is brown due to the sssssshit uuuuuu spread

[AL BUNDY 45]

had a deerhound x when he was young was picked on by every dog and its gran was out a walk when a rotty pinned him against a wall had no choice but to fight back left the rotty in bit of a mess after that any dog that showed agression to him was in bother he done alsations doberman killed foxs in secs one day he was face to face with a timber wolf there was a fence between them he showed submission just to add never bothered with any dog that didnt bother him ive got a video of him doing a fox next to the house 5mins later lying in front of the fire with the cat this was mid 90s

[Guest Lamper18]

my mates bullx would smash one of those wolves no problem.... they just look big...

 

choco is brown due to the sssssshit uuuuuu spread

 

 

spot on mate

[Kye 77]

AWESOME thread guys,...

 

I have seen Bull X's back home, and yeah, they WOULD kill a coyote...they SHOULD!...would they catch one...honestly, i dont think so...maybe, but im leaning towards NO!...

 

Most of the Bull X's ive seen back home, got punishment, because they LOVE combat, they love the conflict....and a dog like that, wouldnt last long in the coyote game imo...just like Dan says...'Staghounds DONT fight coyotes, they KILL 'em!'....

 

Guys, beleave it or not, the dogs guys over here, KNOW what they are doing!...they have been doing it for years and years...and beleave me, they cull ten times harder over here, than anyone back home....so the dogs are going to be good!...yeah, there is shit over here, just like every country!...but the running dogs over here are, on a whole, VERY good!

 

Imagine, if some of these American guys went on the Terrier forum, and started saying 'Whats, what" with the dog game...some of you guys would be jumping down there throats!...lol.

 

If any of you where to come over here, you would be treated with hospitality, second to none!...treated like Kings!...and you would be more than welcome, at every home you where to visit...i know, because ive been treated that way.

 

Kye..

[top terrierman 90]

looking at the pictures of them wovles a lucher of any breeding wouldnt last two long with one of them boys they be death in mintues.and i have worked and owned some very game bull crosses.i dont think any dog on this earth would handle one.nice pictures mate.