Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Without reading the link B H, I only seen this on the news yesterday teatime. Simply cannot believe a drug that's been available for 60 years, to help astha/breathing difficulties etc, hasn't been thought about being used, by any scientists, doctors, medical experts or whatever, until now?!! It will have been being used from day one mate. But it takes time to do clinical trials. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,135 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: It will have been being used from day one mate. But it takes time to do clinical trials. Ok, did you know a trial of six thousand covid patients was being carried out? Well, I suppose you did, because you're into all that statistics, numbers etc lol. But I don't think the vast majority will have known about it Edited June 17, 2020 by shaaark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, shaaark said: Ok, did you know a trial of six thousand covid patients was being carroid out? Well, I suppose you did, because you're into all that statistics, numbers etc lol. But I don't think the vast majority will have known about it LOL, nah mate, I didn't know, I didn't get that email from nerd club, LOL. But what difference does that make? It's just how research works mate. It's slow. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,135 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: LOL, nah mate, I didn't know, I didn't get that email from nerd club, LOL. But what difference does that make? It's just how research works mate. It's slow. Lol wasn't insinuating that you're a nerd mate lol. Just that you normally keep abreast of all this research, statistics etc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Lol wasn't insinuating that you're a nerd mate lol. Just that you normally keep abreast of all this research, statistics etc Nah I know, I was just self deprecating. No offence taken or intended. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bell 3,504 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 My old man was taking Dexy in the months before he died from cancer, i always assumed it was a steroid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,376 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, bell said: My old man was taking Dexy in the months before he died from cancer, i always assumed it was a steroid. It is ... They use steroids to treat asthma 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, shaaark said: Without reading the link B H, I only seen this on the news yesterday teatime. Simply cannot believe a drug that's been available for 60 years, to help astha/breathing difficulties etc, hasn't been thought about being used, by any scientists, doctors, medical experts or whatever, until now?!! The Recovery Trial randimises patients to various treatments, Dex being just one. We got a massive number of patients in quick time, which means the data painted a picture quickly and it will continue and evolve as we learn. The rationale for trialling Dex was, of course, it's success in other treatments so we compare it to see how it performs against other drugs, taking into account how sick the patient is, etc etc . I work in research and the Covid trials are rolling out rapid fire, because there's so many questions surrounding the whole thing. There's another trial up and running for earlier symptoms where folks present with ambulatory Covid, but aren't sick enough for admission; it's called Atomic2. We randomise to standard of care (self care as usual at home) or a commonly used antibiotic called Azithromicyn (it's a macrolide, and has anti viral properties). Most people have taken that for a chest infection at some point. It'll be really interesting to see the results of that trial. I am a research nerd, unashamedly 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,135 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, lurchergrrl said: The Recovery Trial randimises patients to various treatments, Dex being just one. We got a massive number of patients in quick time, which means the data painted a picture quickly and it will continue and evolve as we learn. The rationale for trialling Dex was, of course, it's success in other treatments so we compare it to see how it performs against other drugs, taking into account how sick the patient is, etc etc . I work in research and the Covid trials are rolling out rapid fire, because there's so many questions surrounding the whole thing. There's another trial up and running for earlier symptoms where folks present with ambulatory Covid, but aren't sick enough for admission; it's called Atomic2. We randomise to standard of care (self care as usual at home) or a commonly used antibiotic called Azithromicyn (it's a macrolide, and has anti viral properties). Most people have taken that for a chest infection at some point. It'll be really interesting to see the results of that trial. I am a research nerd, unashamedly ........ ah right. I'm obviously not a research nerd, as born hunter, and now yourself, can gather. Stay safe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, shaaark said: ........ ah right. I'm obviously not a research nerd, as born hunter, and now yourself, can gather. Stay safe Well, I can safely say, getting involved on a study or trial can quite literally change your life, and/or the future care your family and friends receive. Research is why we have medical treatments full stop. Its a shame more people don't know, to be fair. I take every opportunity to spread the word I'm not a randomer, by the way, I just haven't posted for about 5 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,135 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, lurchergrrl said: Well, I can safely say, getting involved on a study or trial can quite literally change your life, and/or the future care your family and friends receive. Research is why we have medical treatments full stop. Its a shame more people don't know, to be fair. I take every opportunity to spread the word I'm not a randomer, by the way, I just haven't posted for about 5 years Yeah it's good that you're spreading the word. I think a bit more openness would be appreciated by the general public. Like myself, a lot of people don't have the necessary skills to know where/how to research some of these medical findings etc. Re 'randomer', yep, thought I remembered your name Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, shaaark said: Yeah it's good that you're spreading the word. I think a bit more openness would be appreciated by the general public. Like myself, a lot of people don't have the necessary skills to know where/how to research some of these medical findings etc. Re 'randomer', yep, thought I remembered your name Allow me to bust out the nerd cape Research info can be found on the national site https://www.nihr.ac.uk/ Or you can google whatever trial they're talking about in the news, plenty of info that way. Or if you're unwell and having treatment, or have a condition like, say, diabetes etc, ask if your hospital has a research department or lead on the unit. And ya, I've been lurking now and then but mostly keep to myself these days. This is one topic where I felt I could weigh in 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,135 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, lurchergrrl said: Allow me to bust out the nerd cape Research info can be found on the national site https://www.nihr.ac.uk/ Or you can google whatever trial they're talking about in the news, plenty of info that way. Or if you're unwell and having treatment, or have a condition like, say, diabetes etc, ask if your hospital has a research department or lead on the unit. And ya, I've been lurking now and then but mostly keep to myself these days. This is one topic where I felt I could weigh in No probs, will have a look at that link when I have a bit more time tomorrow 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,376 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, lurchergrrl said: The Recovery Trial randimises patients to various treatments, Dex being just one. We got a massive number of patients in quick time, which means the data painted a picture quickly and it will continue and evolve as we learn. The rationale for trialling Dex was, of course, it's success in other treatments so we compare it to see how it performs against other drugs, taking into account how sick the patient is, etc etc . I work in research and the Covid trials are rolling out rapid fire, because there's so many questions surrounding the whole thing. There's another trial up and running for earlier symptoms where folks present with ambulatory Covid, but aren't sick enough for admission; it's called Atomic2. We randomise to standard of care (self care as usual at home) or a commonly used antibiotic called Azithromicyn (it's a macrolide, and has anti viral properties). Most people have taken that for a chest infection at some point. It'll be really interesting to see the results of that trial. I am a research nerd, unashamedly Are you single ?? Going by all the geeky shite @Born Hunter posts I'd say he is ... Maybe you two could go to a science convention or something together 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chid said: Are you single ?? Going by all the geeky shite @Born Hunter posts I'd say he is ... Maybe you to could go to a science convention or something together That’s MY virginity you’re just giving away! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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