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1 hour ago, Flacko said:

Fireman what about size wise mate are commented before I seen a lot of these plumbers like whippet height I like the smaller compact sort ? any stuff like that about atb Flacko 

The bitch i lost was 12 " strongly built and well jawed,all i wanted in any sort of terrier.There was a few big plummers and there are still a good few weak headed/jawed plummers but there are also proper built plummers about. 

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If your wanting sommat stay until dug regular id think you be better of going with russels in my eyes. I seen couple bolt a fox but so will a ferret sometimes lol 

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On 24/08/2019 at 16:05, baker boy said:

Thats what he said mate

Remember seeing one out of the dogs he brought to Rotherham with him a rough haired mongrel type terrier that was some digging dog this was in the 70s it was nothing like the plummer terrier.

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5 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Remember seeing one out of the dogs he brought to Rotherham with him a rough haired mongrel type terrier that was some digging dog this was in the 70s it was nothing like the plummer terrier.

And i seen plumers that vary so much theres almost tow different types of plummer. Im very surprised there isnt the odd throwback to older or rough stuff in them.

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39 minutes ago, C.green said:

And i seen plumers that vary so much theres almost tow different types of plummer. Im very surprised there isnt the odd throwback to older or rough stuff in them.

One thing i've always said about the plummer is the poor coat 99.9% of them have,it's thin fur is no good for harsh weather and seen a few sat shivering when the going gets slow.I wish i'd put a rough coated russell over my old bitch as a rough coated plummer type does look a smart thing.HJKC had a nice 1/2 cross with a good looking rough coat.

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7 hours ago, Flacko said:

Fireman is there certain lines more favourable to drop in than others, heard rymid ? Or something more throw earth dogs & size wise some throw 11-13 rather than 15- 16 atb Flacko 

Vandal, the dog in my pic was the foundation of the remlap line, which produced some outstanding earth dogs. Some could be a little on the hard side, but they got the job done.

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wirrrel countryman or something like that used to be on here and if half of what he claimed about his plummers were true i'd have one

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4 hours ago, big sid said:

wirrrel countryman or something like that used to be on here and if half of what he claimed about his plummers were true i'd have one

Think he fell out with a few people 😁

Cheers, D.

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2 minutes ago, dytkos said:

Think he fell out with a few people 😁

Cheers, D.

Think he out dogs noo 

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On ‎26‎/‎08‎/‎2019 at 10:28, fireman said:

One thing i've always said about the plummer is the poor coat 99.9% of them have,it's thin fur is no good for harsh weather and seen a few sat shivering when the going gets slow.I wish i'd put a rough coated russell over my old bitch as a rough coated plummer type does look a smart thing.HJKC had a nice 1/2 cross with a good looking rough coat.

Is the type of coat that these dogs have not something that original breeder desired in his terriers? Going back to my original post on this thread, was D B Plummer's intention not to improve on the earth dogs that he started with, as earth dogs,  with but to create the ultimate rat catching dog.? Catching large numbers of rats in filthy places, indoors usually, and such a coat was a desirable attribute? The muck did not stick and was easily cleaned afterwards.

I do not really understand when people criticise the type as  earth dogs as surely that's not why other blood was added. Are they better than what already existed as ratting dogs? Was that not what they were intended to do? The very reason that they were "created"?

 

 

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On 01/09/2019 at 19:09, eastcoast said:

Is the type of coat that these dogs have not something that original breeder desired in his terriers? Going back to my original post on this thread, was D B Plummer's intention not to improve on the earth dogs that he started with, as earth dogs,  with but to create the ultimate rat catching dog.? Catching large numbers of rats in filthy places, indoors usually, and such a coat was a desirable attribute? The muck did not stick and was easily cleaned afterwards.

I do not really understand when people criticise the type as  earth dogs as surely that's not why other blood was added. Are they better than what already existed as ratting dogs? Was that not what they were intended to do? The very reason that they were "created"?

 

 

He wanted the colour above anything else and so does every plummer breeder,a white terrier with red spots is a russell:laugh:..The terriers he had to start with were just rough coated russell types,no better than most and as it goes a tendancy to be mute so a bit useless before the locator box came  on the scene,the Nuttal blood was added to even the size and proportions of the pups being born to beagle x russell x bull litters at the time. As for what plummer intended to do was anyone's guess as he was a odd fecker at best and that sure as shit does affect folks view on the plummer as a earth dog.Ffs look at the responces i get when iv'e put up a post with a plummer being dug to,but i will say iv'e not seen anything come even close to plummers when iv'e been out with other breeds alongside them..

Edited to say i mean when out ratting with other breeds..:victory:

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On 29/08/2019 at 20:45, dytkos said:

Think he fell out with a few people 😁

Cheers, D.

more like his arse fell out after sending the Fed's around to good honest lads yards trying to cause shit.....spineless excuse for a man👍

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7 hours ago, stormyboy said:

Did he actually do that Dan? I did hear rumours.

yes mate,without a doubt....then when he was cornered he told lads he had cancer not to have a slap🤨f***ing coward as well as a tout...

 

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10 hours ago, stormyboy said:

Did he actually do that Dan? I did hear rumours.

He did it to a regular poster on here :yes:..

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