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I understand exactly what youre saying Glyn, BUT what I don’t understand is what was the change or difference between all the other dogs up in the lakes to what Breay all of a sudden started producing, and is what is still being produced 50 years later. There must have been a defining factor?

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I understand exactly what youre saying Glyn, BUT what I don’t understand is what was the change or difference between all the other dogs up in the lakes to what Breay all of a sudden started producing, and is what is still being produced 50 years later. There must have been a defining factor?

No its a case of you think this type started with Breay and Buck it didn't, i have  book that describe one of Tommy Dobsons Terriers and it would fit happelly  in my kennell now , photo taken 1912 ish , i'm putting pen to paper it all be there :) sorry i pressed enter before i had finished my post look at the dog in the background maybe some guy who just dug to his dogs kept a line , just work no show , and his blood was used as outcross by the famous 

 

 

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No its a case of you think this type started with Breay and Buck it didn't book that describe one of Tommy Dobsons Terriers and it would fit happelly  in my kennell now 

 

Ok, I’ll put it another way, why is there numerous pics of Buck and Breay with these black dogs, but none of Dobson etc with the same type of terriers, despite there being a lot of pics of Dobson with terriers that he owned?

It’s easy for people to write that there was black dogs about 100 years before, but why is there no pics of them despite there being literally 100s of pics of terriers and terriermen at that time?

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Also once Breay started breeding this type,  all of a sudden Buck, Westmoreland, Bell and further on Gould, Nuttall, Stacey had this type, what’s the chances of that?? The black type took off like a rocket. Why didn’t it take off before then?

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Ok, I’ll put it another way, why is there numerous pics of Buck and Breay with these black dogs, but none of Dobson etc with the same type of terriers, despite there being a lot of pics of Dobson with terriers that he owned?

It’s easy for people to write that there was black dogs about 100 years before, but why is there no pics of them despite there being literally 100s of pics of terriers and terriermen at that time?

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25 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Also once Breay started breeding this type,  all of a sudden Buck, Westmoreland, Bell and further on Gould, Nuttall, Stacey had this type, what’s the chances of that?? The black type took off like a rocket. Why didn’t it take off before then?

id say it blacks and reds where not as popular back then due to whites where easier to spot running lose on the fells and moors and working rock piles

or was it because black and reds where always a more mute terriers and not a great baying terrier or was it just that they where shit at the time

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Also once Breay started breeding this type,  all of a sudden Buck, Westmoreland, Bell and further on Gould, Nuttall, Stacey had this type, what’s the chances of that?? The black type took off like a rocket. Why didn’t it take off before then?

Breay and Buck were friends (of a sort) and used each others terriers to breed from.

Westmoorland was a friend of Breay. Maurice Bell knew both Breay and Buck and hunted with Buck as a youngster. Nuttall went looking for Breay when he was a youngster because he had heard how good his terriers were and Breay took a shine to him and sold him one. Stacey i have no idea about and Gouldy knew his market and simply cashed in....

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11 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

Breay and Buck were friends (of a sort) and used each others terriers to breed from.

Westmoorland was a friend of Breay. Maurice Bell knew both Breay and Buck and hunted with Buck as a youngster. Nuttall went looking for Breay when he was a youngster because he had heard how good his terriers were and Breay took a shine to him and sold him one. Stacey i have no idea about and Gouldy knew his market and simply cashed in....

The way I see it Bosun, if Glyn had posted that pic at the start and you had explained all this not long after, then I’d never have posted on the matter to begin with.?

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8 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

Breay and Buck were friends (of a sort) and used each others terriers to breed from.

Westmoorland was a friend of Breay. Maurice Bell knew both Breay and Buck and hunted with Buck as a youngster. Nuttall went looking for Breay when he was a youngster because he had heard how good his terriers were and Breay took a shine to him and sold him one. Stacey i have no idea about and Gouldy knew his market and simply cashed in....

Brain got nothing directly from Breay, , he told me he only ever met Breay once while stood on a bridge on a otter hunt where only a hello was exchanged , he used Davey , Kipper  at stud , gotta  bitch named Biddy off Westmoorland and used Rusty for stud when Rusty went to Westmoorland after Mr Breays death 

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3 minutes ago, Glyn..... said:

Brain got nothing directly from Breay, , he told me he only ever met Breay once while stood on a bridge on a otter hunt where only a hello was exchanged , he used Davey , Kipper  at stud , gotta  bitch named Biddy off Westmoorland and used Rusty for stud when Rusty went to Westmoorland after Mr Breays death 

some good info on here its been interesting reading

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