Trump Under Fire

[mC HULL 18,574]

6 minutes ago, TOMO said:

Dia hard fighters.....they gathered up local people and got them to stand on or near the bridges and power stations...

Thats what your told mate why are you going after bridges and powerstations if your winning mate ? 

They will die for there leaders no country in the west can compete with that 

[Bendigo 2,469]

[WILF 53,317]

What does all this look like if you stand back ?

I suppose different things to different people.

Is it a sign of weakness by the US ?

Is it a massive win for the Muslim world ?

Is it a massive flex by the POTUS ?…..

I mean surely it counts as a flex that only two of your ten battle groups can totally dominate a massive country with only very targeted and limited strikes in just over 1 month for the loss of only 13 casualties ?

Surely that’s never been done in all of history ? 
Someone is surely looking at that and said “Well, they did that, they didn’t go all in and they kept 90% of their military assets at home….they only used a tiny bit?” 
That has to ring alarm bells for anyone else who fancies their chances ?

Maybe they do fancy their chances and think this makes the US look weak, what we do know is, f**k about and find out…..I wonder who wants to find out ? 
 

Bigger than my pay grade so guess we will see.

[mC HULL 18,574]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

What does all this look like if you stand back ?

I suppose different things to different people.

Is it a sign of weakness by the US ?

Is it a massive win for the Muslim world ?

Is it a massive flex by the POTUS ?…..

I mean surely it counts as a flex that only two of your ten battle groups can totally dominate a massive country with only very targeted and limited strikes in just over 1 month for the loss of only 13 casualties ?

Surely that’s never been done in all of history ? 
Someone is surely looking at that and said “Well, they did that, they didn’t go all in and they kept 90% of their military assets at home….they only used a tiny bit?” 
That has to ring alarm bells for anyone else who fancies their chances ?

Maybe they do fancy their chances and think this makes the US look weak, what we do know is, f**k about and find out…..I wonder who wants to find out ? 
 

Bigger than my pay grade so guess we will see.

Iran have hit every country and base the yanks have in the middle east mate ? 

They would a looked stronger if they sent every battle groups they have and took the straight but they would a been at the bottom of it 

 

Look at the men stood around trump.when hes talking lately they all.looked like.there about to cry mate 

Billions wasted again 

Iran same people in power no regime change still control there oil.still.control the straight and now have no.sanctions I know what they will.be thinking lol

[mC HULL 18,574]

Had to threaten nuclear weapons on civilians to get a cease fire thats what I saw anyway lol

 

No wonder country's like Korea and iran want them 

[mC HULL 18,574]

Not to mention russia China etc have just see. The west haven't the stomach to.help the usa when they need them there allies abandoned them very telling lol

[Bakerboy 4,923]

Starmers on his way out to the Gulf stated to sort it out, be done in and hour or 2 after he gets there, top man 

[kanny 21,927]

4 minutes ago, Bakerboy said:

Starmers on his way out to the Gulf stated to sort it out, be done in and hour or 2 after he gets there, top man 

 

[Halfhound 1,238]

Something tells me it’s all far from over. Isreal can’t help itself it will make some sort of claim and attack and it will all kick off again. You’d wonder how long they will last without any US help and weapons? 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,520]

55 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Brutal terrain men who fight hard not wear make up 

They've leveled it and what ? That was always going to happen wasnt it ? Prepared for it greatest airforce ever couldn't get air supremacy over iran with 10 planes for 1950 pathetic that it really is beaten by a chinky 2 smoker 

 

Like i said a war of attrition and the Iranians pissed it  the yanks lost as soon as they greatest navy ever ran 1000 miles and couldn't take the straight lol 

There are a fair few in work with the same mindset as you almost like you want the USA to lose and be totally humiliated, a very strange view!

I will ask you the same question as I've asked them, what was the other option, sit back hope nothing happens and let Iran and Islam become more powerful across the world ?

As mentioned previously we are not in a fight against people and countries who are after ruling us or taking our resources or land they want to annihilate us, they want us gone, dead.

[WILF 53,317]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

Brutal terrain men who fight hard not wear make up 

They've leveled it and what ? That was always going to happen wasnt it ? Prepared for it greatest airforce ever couldn't get air supremacy over iran with 10 planes for 1950 pathetic that it really is beaten by a chinky 2 smoker 

 

Like i said a war of attrition and the Iranians pissed it  the yanks lost as soon as they greatest navy ever ran 1000 miles and couldn't take the straight lol 

War of attrition ??!!!???!!…..it’s been 39 days !!!

I bet you’ve been on walks that lasted longer than 39 days mate ! lol 

[greg64 3,189]

30 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Had to threaten nuclear weapons on civilians to get a cease fire thats what I saw anyway lol

 

No wonder country's like Korea and iran want them 

he didn't ever mention nuclear weapons though did he, that's the media jumping on his speech which admittedly did sound a tad apocalyptic and the US govt has said that Nukes were not being referenced

[mC HULL 18,574]

15 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

There are a fair few in work with the same mindset as you almost like you want the USA to lose and be totally humiliated, a very strange view!

I will ask you the same question as I've asked them, what was the other option, sit back hope nothing happens and let Iran and Islam become more powerful across the world ?

As mentioned previously we are not in a fight against people and countries who are after ruling us or taking our resources or land they want to annihilate us, they want us gone, dead.

No mate I wanted trump and his people to be in power a long time yet but hes fall into this shite were be couldnt win and will.vome.out looking foolish 

Iran was never a threat ever hes done it for Israel like a fool

[WILF 53,317]

3 minutes ago, greg64 said:

he didn't ever mention nuclear weapons though did he, that's the media jumping on his speech which admittedly did sound a tad apocalyptic and the US govt has said that Nukes were not being referenced

The first rule of McHull club is that McHull is always right !……right !!! 

[Born Hunter 18,155]

48 minutes ago, WILF said:

What does all this look like if you stand back ?

I suppose different things to different people.

Is it a sign of weakness by the US ?

Is it a massive win for the Muslim world ?

Is it a massive flex by the POTUS ?…..

I mean surely it counts as a flex that only two of your ten battle groups can totally dominate a massive country with only very targeted and limited strikes in just over 1 month for the loss of only 13 casualties ?

Surely that’s never been done in all of history ? 
Someone is surely looking at that and said “Well, they did that, they didn’t go all in and they kept 90% of their military assets at home….they only used a tiny bit?” 
That has to ring alarm bells for anyone else who fancies their chances ?

Maybe they do fancy their chances and think this makes the US look weak, what we do know is, f**k about and find out…..I wonder who wants to find out ? 
 

Bigger than my pay grade so guess we will see.

I think it’s far too early to tell. Despite my criticism this is a great step towards a good outcome.

My view is that tactically this has shown what the US is capable of once again to the world. Stuff that no other nation could even begin to dream of. But then I don’t think any of that was really in doubt.

Strategically however I don’t think this has delivered anything very positive for the US (or us in the UK).

It has seriously damaged almost all US strategic relations/alliances. Literally everyone has been politically attacked by POTUS and SecWar. After at least a year of being threatened, belittled and economic attacks. You might think that these alliances are meaningless but americas strength is in leveraging being a strong ally. That’s now seriously threatened. They’d need 100 CSGs to do what their current alliances allow them to do.

The petrodollar is in question. It’s backed by military protection. That same military just put all the Arab states under attack. That petrodollar system allows the US to overleverage their economy, to fund that military. It also allows them to project power without expensive carriers through an extensive system of regional bases. And even with all this power and tactical success they were clearly rattled by the Hormuz situation. It showed cracks in even the might US war machines capabilities.

Extending the damage, will be countries now not seeing the US as a reliable supplier of weapons. They’ve made it clear that they will use whatever they can to manipulate ‘allies’ and that needs to be considered a serious risk. For instance if the yanks said “f**k the uk you’re not having anything off us anymore” then we’d have essentially no more jets for our carriers and no more Tomahawks for our subs making our very flashy and expensive carriers almost useless.

Further to this I assumed at the start control of the Straight would starve China, and in fact the opposite happened. It starved us! And consequently sanctions were lifted on states that are actual adversaries, total self harm with that one. I know you don’t see Russia as adversarial but it certainly didn’t help us. 

Regime change has not happened, the faces may have changed but the regime has survived. The Kurds want no part in doing the hard work, and why would they after decades of being f****d over by the US (see how this shit comes back to haunt you when reputation matters) and it doesn’t seem like the citizen uprising has come to anything. Nothing like an existential threat to get factions rallying around the same flag!

Extremists will have been given a huge recruitment boost in the same way IS came out of the shitfest that was Iraq.

And finally, now the regime and every other malign regime out there knows for a categorical fact they need a nuclear deterrent. Simply maintaining the knowledge and tools to spin one out when escalation starts is not enough, you need a deployable system now.

But as I say it’s too early. I think this cease fire is a great step and hopefully Trump will use the intelligent members of his administration to do what he does well, make a deal.