TOMO 28,553 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Wee Krankie really is one selfish bitch! The last thing we need is division at this time, the problem is Krankie doesn't even care if her actions damage the negotiations and give the UK a bad deal. That will just give her more ammunition to use against us in a leave U.K. vote. What kind of nationalist wants independence then hand it straight over to unelected politicians in Europe. Europe have said Scotland will have to take it's place and go through years of negotiations with Europe before it can even join. With Spain vetoing against it. the jocks knew this, that out on there own in Europe they be back of the queue , thats why the stay vote won.Let them have there vote if they want, but they know where bread buttered , it must be getting to them though as they hate the english lol , but know its better to stay .! Bit like staying in a loveless marrige eh ray haha always talking about leaving but not really got balls haha true i've missed the boat , lol hard to find (rich) 40 year old women ,who likes a old bloke with fooked up back, and hard of hearing , i am still trying though haha . mind you i did meet the other day ,nice looking 38 year old, with nice body , she was walking her pet collie . we got talking she thought i looked well for my age. she asked about my dogs told her what they were , then we got on to hunting then it went pair shape she thinks it cruel , and i shouldn't encourage my dogs to kill stuff . so she not on me list lol , might have to try a jock bird maybe there in to hunting get yourself up nottingham on a sat night ray,,suited and booted,,,our club gets all the football players and cricketers in,,,usualy a face or 2 in most sat nights....tell all the women your the manager... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trigger2 3,303 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Wee Krankie really is one selfish bitch! The last thing we need is division at this time, the problem is Krankie doesn't even care if her actions damage the negotiations and give the UK a bad deal. That will just give her more ammunition to use against us in a leave U.K. vote. What kind of nationalist wants independence then hand it straight over to unelected politicians in Europe. Europe have said Scotland will have to take it's place and go through years of negotiations with Europe before it can even join. With Spain vetoing against it. the jocks knew this, that out on there own in Europe they be back of the queue , thats why the stay vote won.Let them have there vote if they want, but they know where bread buttered , it must be getting to them though as they hate the english lol , but know its better to stay .! Bit like staying in a loveless marrige eh ray haha always talking about leaving but not really got balls haha true i've missed the boat , lol hard to find (rich) 40 year old women ,who likes a old bloke with fooked up back, and hard of hearing , i am still trying though haha . mind you i did meet the other day ,nice looking 38 year old, with nice body , she was walking her pet collie . we got talking she thought i looked well for my age. she asked about my dogs told her what they were , then we got on to hunting then it went pair shape she thinks it cruel , and i shouldn't encourage my dogs to kill stuff . so she not on me list lol , might have to try a jock bird maybe there in to hunting get yourself up nottingham on a sat night ray,,suited and booted,,,our club gets all the football players and cricketers in,,,usualy a face or 2 in most sat nights....tell all the women your the manager... yeah ray you never know one of those young birds could put your back right again for you dont think they could help with the earing though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Give her the vote and it will finish her political career. It's all well and good thinking she's a patriot etc but I work offshore and talk of another referendum is heard a lot amongst the Scottish lads and most of the lads that voted yes now say it would be a definite no vote if they got the choice again. Sturgeon seems to be ignorant of what her Country actually does want and insists on ploughing ahead with what she wants . Edited March 14, 2017 by MickC 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Give her the vote and it will finish her political career. It's all well and good thinking she's a patriot etc but I work offshore and talk of another referendum is heard a lot amongst the Scottish lads and most of the lads that voted yes now say it would be a definite no vote if they got the choice again. Sturgeon seems to be ignorant of what her Country actually does want and insists on ploughing ahead with what she wants . That's the beauty of politics in 2017 though... Everyone that guessed, guessed incorrectly. The obvious choice for Brexit was remain. The obvious choice for the US elections was Clinton. All the pollsters said "What's The Point? It's A Done Deal" Then it all went the opposite of the prediction. To assume that they would vote to remain is dangerous. The anecdotal evidence suggests that they would but going off the last 12 months in politics, never say never. Edited March 14, 2017 by ChrisJones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,056 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Give her the vote and it will finish her political career. It's all well and good thinking she's a patriot etc but I work offshore and talk of another referendum is heard a lot amongst the Scottish lads and most of the lads that voted yes now say it would be a definite no vote if they got the choice again. Sturgeon seems to be ignorant of what her Country actually does want and insists on ploughing ahead with what she wants . That's the beauty of politics in 2017 though... Everyone that guessed, guessed incorrectly. The obvious choice for Brexit was remain. The obvious choice for the US elections was Clinton. All the pollsters said "What's The Point? It's A Done Deal" Then it all went the opposite of the prediction. To assume that they would vote to remain is dangerous. The anecdotal evidence suggests that they would but going off the last 12 months in politics, never say never. Polls are loaded mate that's why they say Clinton, remain etc ad infinitum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Polls are loaded mate that's why they say Clinton, remain etc ad infinitum Absolutely. THL polls also. We know that Scotland leaving the UK would be bad but if you can see that then you can empathise with the remainers... even if it's just a little. With that in mind IndyRef2 could be spectacularly bad, or good, depending on which side you are. It'll take a couple of decades to see the full benefits/consequences though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,056 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Polls are loaded mate that's why they say Clinton, remain etc ad infinitum Absolutely. THL polls also. We know that Scotland leaving the UK would be bad but if you can see that then you can empathise with the remainers... even if it's just a little. With that in mind IndyRef2 could be spectacularly bad, or good, depending on which side you are. It'll take a couple of decades to see the full benefits/consequences though. Nope Brexit is not about manipulation, bad feelings, hatred or a perceived sense of victimisation! Scottish independence is Edited to add; by the Scottish government not the people (well not most ) Edited March 14, 2017 by mushroom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Depends which side of the fence you're on, mush. I'd argue that's precisely what the remainers feel happened. I watched it all from a distance and what happened with Brexit is what is starting to happen with IndyRef2. Same rhetoric different terminology. Brexit may or may not work. Scottish independence would irreparably harm both nations, IMHO. There is strength in unity. Edited March 14, 2017 by ChrisJones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onion jonny 527 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 i voted remain and would do again as i also voted out of the eu, but here in jockland most people voted to stay in the eu and listening to what the polls are saying and talking to people a lot will vote to leave because of brexit, so its best the indy vote waits till after brexit and not during as wee nic wants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,585 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 We have had the vote the result been done and dusted can wee jimmy kranky no let it go and get on with the job she was voted in to do ?. im sick to the back teeth of hearing we are going to get another vote at independence after being told it was a once in a lifetime vote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,056 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Depends which side of the fence you're on, mush. I'd argue that's precisely what the remainers feel happened. I watched it all from a distance and what happened with Brexit is what is starting to happen with IndyRef2. Same rhetoric different terminology. Brexit may or may not work. Scottish independence would irreparably harm both nations, IMHO. There is strength in unity. Side of the fence? Bollocks! it was about gaining back our soverign control and to make our democratically elected politicians accountable to us not a dictatorship in sheeps wool Again bollocks krankey is trying to capitalise for her own skin, lying to everyones faces. England would not ne harmed but not as strong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Side of the fence? Bollocks! it was about gaining back our soverign control and to make our democratically elected politicians accountable to us not a dictatorship in sheeps wool Again bollocks krankey is trying to capitalise for her own skin, lying to everyones faces. England would not ne harmed but not as strong It was a pretty big fence, mush. It was victory of less than two percent. Your concerns were sovereign control and making politicians accountable. We both know that's not going to happen. The remainers voted based on their views of the economy, security (strength in numbers with the other EU nations,) some of them actually don't have an issue with immigration either. We also both know that they're equally deluded. Either way the result stands and despite the victory they still vote, pay taxes, and still have the right to their opinions. Regardless of Sturgeon there is enough momentum for a do-over and a potential split. We can't predict what would happen in the long run but a weaker Europe and a US administration that's chummy with Russia could make for an interesting couple of decades. Edited March 14, 2017 by ChrisJones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,834 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think the battle with Brexit is yet to come, the vote was the first very small step......the trick now will be to make sure you don't swap one kind of dictatorship for another arguably more dangerous one.......one that don't have 27 other countries to mediate. Make no mistake you have 20 years of pain in front of you, they will make it real bad in order to end up with the independence "they" want. They have already started, all the EU laws the U.K. Have had are being put into UK law so they remain......the battle then is repeal of the Ines that really effect your life in a negative way and so and so on until your achieve the government and country you want...........I think most will agree that is going to be a very long haul.........do 17 million people have the stomach to keep up the pressure ? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I think the battle with Brexit is yet to come, the vote was the first very small step......the trick now will be to make sure you don't swap one kind of dictatorship for another arguably more dangerous one.......one that don't have 27 other countries to mediate. Make no mistake you have 20 years of pain in front of you, they will make it real bad in order to end up with the independence "they" want. They have already started, all the EU laws the U.K. Have had are being put into UK law so they remain......the battle then is repeal of the Ines that really effect your life in a negative way and so and so on until your achieve the government and country you want...........I think most will agree that is going to be a very long haul.........do 17 million people have the stomach to keep up the pressure ? f**k no... As we keep saying mate, we're a nation of online activists and we get the government we deserve. No one is willing to actually get up and do something. Edited March 14, 2017 by ChrisJones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulnix 426 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 The remainers voted based on their views of the economy, security, some of them actually don't have an issue with immigration either. We also both know that they're equally deluded. A lot of the ones who voted for brexit also voted the way they did for the very same reasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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