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Honestly ,how many of you have ever done the repeat mating because appears to be a lot of 'my mate did' or 'i once knew ' . Pity topics like this wernt confined to fact not hearsay or classroom theor

There lies the answer.     Statistically with the same Sire & Dam with an even number of offspring the results should be the same and quality of pups the same. Varying Environmental condition

I've heard this a lot mostly from old timers and I've come to the conclusion that's it's an old wives tale imho . I've seen breeding done in fowl where the turnover and results can be seen a lot quick

 

 

Sorry Corkman, but I don't buy theories figured out in a laboratory.

If dog breeding could be worked out on a piece of paper then we'd all have great dogs and there wouldn't be a wild mammal left in our countryside.

I'd rather listen to the men who's lab is their yard and the testing ground.

 

Like I say, most of us will repeat a mating or two in their yards but in the past there's been lads who done it many times and stopped doing so.

Personally I wouldn't do it but would look to breed the same bitch back to a closely related dog.

It also helps your breeding in the future to do so IMO. It widens your terriers gene pool to do so.

JMHO and that's all it is, an opinion.

 

They're doing interesting things with horses at the minute based on labwork

jim bolgers company equinome?-hes having worse results since he started it..one of the best ever greyhound litters in ireland(split the bill x lizzie fitz)-8out of 10 in the first litter broke 28.80-including ardfert billy who i think still has the fastest 550yds time in ireland..i think she was put back to the same dog 3 or 4 more times and they were all shite...the modern science of epigenetics is proving some old wives tales true

 

Thank you TinyTiger,

Like I said before, the lads I first heard coming up with the repeat mating theory were looking for a very high level of performance from their dogs and only a fool wouldn't take in any advice given by such men.

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nail on the head there greengrass-theyre selling them..thered definitely be a market for them..theres a repeat mating to the breeding that threw timber house(fastedt dog up clonmel coursing earlier this year)

 

Faster than Adios alonso?

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Sorry Corkman, but I don't buy theories figured out in a laboratory.

If dog breeding could be worked out on a piece of paper then we'd all have great dogs and there wouldn't be a wild mammal left in our countryside.

I'd rather listen to the men who's lab is their yard and the testing ground.

 

Like I say, most of us will repeat a mating or two in their yards but in the past there's been lads who done it many times and stopped doing so.

Personally I wouldn't do it but would look to breed the same bitch back to a closely related dog.

It also helps your breeding in the future to do so IMO. It widens your terriers gene pool to do so.

JMHO and that's all it is, an opinion.

 

They're doing interesting things with horses at the minute based on labwork

jim bolgers company equinome?-hes having worse results since he started it..one of the best ever greyhound litters in ireland(split the bill x lizzie fitz)-8out of 10 in the first litter broke 28.80-including ardfert billy who i think still has the fastest 550yds time in ireland..i think she was put back to the same dog 3 or 4 more times and they were all shite...the modern science of epigenetics is proving some old wives tales true

 

Thank you TinyTiger,

Like I said before, the lads I first heard coming up with the repeat mating theory were looking for a very high level of performance from their dogs and only a fool wouldn't take in any advice given by such men.

 

Ah Jayus Tony Tiger could you not have lied, there'll be no stopping him now.

 

Certainly greyhound Data etc. takes a lot of the opinion out of greyhound breeding, results and numbers are there for everyone to see if you're prepared to look.

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nail on the head there greengrass-theyre selling them..thered definitely be a market for them..theres a repeat mating to the breeding that threw timber house(fastedt dog up clonmel coursing earlier this year)

about 20 spots faster(different year though)-out of alonsos sister..alonso is the best coursing sire alive imo

 

Faster than Adios alonso?

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Whats peoples thoughts on using the same sire twice in a row over the same bitch?

I've found and seen that the second or third litter are not as good as the first, more so with running dogs than terriers.

A proven sire over a proven bitch is not forced to throw proven progeny,in theory it should but in practice it sometimes fails,only sometimes.If the first litter proved their worth then resultant litters from the same breeding will have an high chance of doing the same,the age of the dam and sire will play its part.

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Spot on Morton. If you have a good litter of pups and want to "try best" to reproduce that litter you breed the same way. Some families throw the same and some families throw different. There are no guarantees if life or breeding.......... Unless you have a few shillings to spare and want an exact copy, a fella could always try cloning.

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some good reading on this say you had a litter only 3 out of 8 made the grade if you cull the other 5 and later on down the line breed of them to unrelated working stock will your chances improve

and if you carry on culling will you end up with more and more workers in each litter i know it will depened weather the genes gel but in theory

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Still no proven fact on which ever side the fence your on about this one interesting thread.Im sure a very high standard can be got using the same sire, but either way if its the same sire or not that is used a second time is it not a gamble anyway. Just down to what you think is best thats all a man can do.

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If I remember correctly I think I've only repeated a mating once and the first litter was good but the second litter produced lunatics with at least one of them paying the full price for his over exuberance but unless I'm really stuck for blood I wont do it again. Enough old timers told me not too.

 

"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes.

The wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

Otto Von Bismarck.

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If I remember correctly I think I've only repeated a mating once and the first litter was good but the second litter produced lunatics with at least one of them paying the full price for his over exuberance but unless I'm really stuck for blood I wont do it again. Enough old timers told me not too.

 

"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes.

The wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

Otto Von Bismarck.

it is impossible to be an original or a maverick if you always do what your told !

 

Winston Churchill 👍

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