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the point is moriarty you said you only use a dog thats proven as a worker and a producer i pointed out that some has or had to use the dog before he was a proven producer, simples anything else you need help with dont be to shy to ask.[/quote)

 

Put it this way Miss Marples,many ,many lads on here will be writing about the haphazard breeding of non related stock just because it works .Work is essential of course BUT its no guarranty of continued work as lads find out to their cost every year .I have no experience of this type of breeding so excuse me if skip the fact im breeding from proven producers of workers .Ive said enough on the subject in previous threads to write it all out again tbh

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Honestly ,how many of you have ever done the repeat mating because appears to be a lot of 'my mate did' or 'i once knew ' . Pity topics like this wernt confined to fact not hearsay or classroom theor

There lies the answer.     Statistically with the same Sire & Dam with an even number of offspring the results should be the same and quality of pups the same. Varying Environmental condition

I've heard this a lot mostly from old timers and I've come to the conclusion that's it's an old wives tale imho . I've seen breeding done in fowl where the turnover and results can be seen a lot quick

 

 

 

Which is why i added proven .Proven to me is not only work but throwing his like too.

a bit of a contradiction because at the first mating he hasnt proved he passes on his like so someone has to use the dog on its work only.
The thread is about repeat matings Sherlock.By the second mating the first litter would be working .To use a stud exclusively over many bitches is my choice and certainly sets the seed for work .Confidence is whats needed as is the choice of a good strong dog .Once proven to throw his like ,the temptation is to work him less often so as to reduce the inevitable .

Fd,let's say the chosen stud dog dies of old age or when working. Would you chose a dog from him then to continue the line? Ideally how many seasons work would he have done and what bitches would you put him back to. How closely related would they be? Interesting thread.

Hello Shovel .

A replacement stud or two are always about and i use them before the main is gone to reafirm hes bred right .However he would be at least 5 year old before taking the roll on .Hs would be a direct son of main stud .

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To take the whole topic further ,is there anyone other than those i know of using a stud exclusively as in using him over multiple bitches including repeat matings as long as hes able and proven.

 

I did, but homozygous dogs that replicate themselves both type and work wise aren't too common unless tightly bred. I've seen guys do it to the detriment of stock too.

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To take the whole topic further ,is there anyone other than those i know of using a stud exclusively as in using him over multiple bitches including repeat matings as long as hes able and proven.

The only dog i will put over any terrier i own and not to closely related to him,most are, is my Beddy dog,he was a proven worker and anything he as thrown have been proven workers,bushing and FOX working terriers above and below,ive let one go as he was becoming a digging terrier,the others are as honest as baying,bolting bushers should be.They will not suit some,yet as the olde proverb states "horses for courses".His son,a Beddy/Fell combo will be the dog that goes over his Beddy siblings,another proven grafter,he should throw the same,or ill source a better option.

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Which is why i added proven .Proven to me is not only work but throwing his like too.

a bit of a contradiction because at the first mating he hasnt proved he passes on his like so someone has to use the dog on its work only.
The thread is about repeat matings Sherlock.By the second mating the first litter would be working .To use a stud exclusively over many bitches is my choice and certainly sets the seed for work .Confidence is whats needed as is the choice of a good strong dog .Once proven to throw his like ,the temptation is to work him less often so as to reduce the inevitable .

Fd,let's say the chosen stud dog dies of old age or when working. Would you chose a dog from him then to continue the line? Ideally how many seasons work would he have done and what bitches would you put him back to. How closely related would they be? Interesting thread.

Hello Shovel .

A replacement stud or two are always about and i use them before the main is gone to reafirm hes bred right .However he would be at least 5 year old before taking the roll on .Hs would be a direct son of main stud .

 

Sounds like good breeding methods ye have in keeping a line going. Any harm in asking do ye breed many pups in a yr and what percentage of them litters would end up being good workers?

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