up untill fairly recent years i have never had permission and not for the want of trying but my dogs always had plenty of work. i also used to take my son out poaching with me and as i once told a supervisor who was a anti and was on my shift if the only trouble my son brings home if a fine for poaching then not only will i be happy but ille pay the fine as well for him the look on his face i can still see 30 odd years later. yes it is easier to be not looking over your shoulder all the time when you have permission but also truthfully the little bit extra something is not there when your o