i mince my own, and i made a batch that was 100 meat/chicken/rabbit carcass, and then did a batch with a percentage of carrots, brown bread, and left over rice in, and the dog was a lot more "right" on the meat diet, she felt and looked a lot better. she looks good on the veg inc diet, but not with that refinement of the meat diet. its all about what works for your dog.