It is just the same has hancock people go on about the condition the dogs live in but I went there 30 years ago and they wasn't as bad as people said so I thought to myself when people had been having having a go at him on here I'll go and be nosey and see what they are like now this is about 2 months ago because I live quite close so of I went and to be honest I have seen a lot worse yes the dog and pups don't have much human contact and I wouldn't feed the food to pups that they do but they where clean and before people have a go at me no I wouldn't buy from there but as I have sa