Brexit. Success? Too early to judge? Disaster?

[sandymere 8,261]

56 minutes ago, paulus said:

Removing all the illegal immigrants back to where they came from would be a start in becoming sustainable, Stopping migration until we can get a grip on the problems we have from food to housing shortages. would also be a step towards us becoming sustainable. Not spending billions on HS2 so a businessman can get from London to the north half an hour quicker would be a step to us becoming more sustainable, I could go on but i know you can add the rest to this list with out me getting finger ache typing anymore Lol. 

Odd how Germany has far more immigrants than us but have no shortages

[sandymere 8,261]

2 hours ago, hambone said:

Possibly because all our home growers in the South West couldn't compete with the subsidised Spanish farmers when the UK joined the common market? FFS your from that part of the UK aren't you.

But uk farmers got around 3 billion from the EU so could compete but not anymore. 

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3 minutes ago, sandymere said:

But uk farmers got around 3 billion from the EU so could compete but not anymore. 

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Being paid to grow tomatoes out of season is madness and not good in todays green world, The problem is the high price of energy. cock all to do with leaving the Bloody EU. 

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36 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

Pretty much anyone could grow some tomatoes... could do it in a window box if you haven't got a garden... you'd have to eat in season...but that's Ok isn't it?

Apparently not ..... having everything when you want it is more important according to the political left 

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8 minutes ago, sandymere said:

But uk farmers got around 3 billion from the EU so could compete but not anymore. 

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Having a food production industry that needs 3 billion in hand outs is madness. People can't afford to eat yet farms are over run with milk and meat they can't sell.....

......and you suggest more of the same old system? Can't say the current attempt is anything but a failure....but more of the same just because?

[sandymere 8,261]

[kanny 19,389]

3 hours ago, sandymere said:

But why has everyone else  got tomatoes ,  they had Covid  bad weather etc....

 

 

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Asda is limiting sales of items such as tomatoes, peppers and salad bags to a maximum quantity of three.
Meanwhile Morrisons will put limits of two on products like cucumbers.
Pictures of empty supermarket shelves have been circulating on social media, although some retailers say they will not be restricting sales.
Extreme weather in Spain and north Africa, including floods, snow and hail, have affected harvests.
An Asda spokesperson said: "Like other supermarkets, we are experiencing sourcing challenges on some products that are grown in southern Spain and north Africa."
The supermarket said other fruit and vegetables affected included cucumbers, lettuce, broccoli, cauliflowers and raspberry punnets.
Morrisons said tomatoes, lettuce and peppers were affected at its shops.
However, Tesco said it was not putting buying limits on fresh produce.
And a Marks & Spencer spokesman said that while the group was not immune from supply issues, it had mitigated them by sourcing from different markets.
Andrew Opie, director of Food and Sustainability at the British Retail Consortium said the disruption was expected to last for "a few weeks".
Supermarkets are "adept at managing supply chain issues and are working with farmers to ensure that customers are able to access a wide range of fresh produce," he added.
Extreme weather is one of many factors which has been causing problems in the supply of some crops and during this time of year, a significant proportion of what the UK consumes usually comes from Spain and northern Africa.
The supply of crops such as tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers has been affected by unusually cold weather in southern Spain, while in Morocco, which is often the usual fall-back to purchase extra produce, floods have affected yields and storms have led to ferries being delayed or cancelled.
In the UK and Netherlands, farmers have cut back on their use of greenhouses to grow winter crops due to higher electricity prices.
Nigel Jenney, chief executive of the Fresh Produce Consortium, which represents around 700 businesses said costs from fuel, energy, packaging and distribution costs were also having an impact for producers.

[Born Hunter 17,638]

f***ing tomatoes! 

Yeah brexit is a disaster! Can’t handle no winter toms! Give me strength…

[kanny 19,389]

Anecdotal evidence suggests the UK has been bearing the brunt of the shortages, with little sign of empty shelves in other European countries.

Industry sources suggested the UK may be suffering because of lower domestic production and more complex supply chains, as well as a price-sensitive market. But they said Brexit was unlikely to be a factor.

The main impact of new border procedures for fruit and vegetable imports will not be felt until January 2024 - while imports from Morocco, which is outside the EU, are already subject to border checks.

Ken Mortimer, managing director of Heritage Fine Food Company in Wiltshire, a wholesaler which supplies restaurants, cafes and schools in the south west of England, said many UK businesses have contracts to buy fixed quantities of imported produce.

But when they need more, they have to buy it on the open market and prices have been prohibitively high.

"It's not Brexit", says Mr Mortimer "Or at least, I don't think so".

The BBC has also contacted business body, the Irish Business and Employers Confederation (IBEC) for a response.

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On 19/02/2023 at 19:52, sandymere said:

The government could solve the problems,  inflation is being driven by profits and big shareholders dividends on the back of them. So tax the big companies cashing in and then invest in the country.  But the big companies and shareholders fund the tories so they're not going to touch them.

agree but you have to admit billions was wasted over a mild cold all will a been robbing the pot along the way 

[kanny 19,389]

Got to feel a little sorry for artists with all this new A.I  stuff ....but that's progress  

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[Francie, 1,720]

13 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Whats the craic sandy youve gone very quiet on the covid thread,whats up?