Brexit

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I'm quite pleased with how it is going now.  Boris is sticking to a plan and cracks are appearing in the other side. It reminds me of the 'Yes Prime Minister' sketch where Sir Humphrey explains how the British Diplomats set the German off against the French, the Spanish against the Italians......... That is just how it will pan out except it will be car makers against fishermen, fruit and veg' growers against fridge makers............

The language is helping too. For too long the EU have been allowed to peddle the notion that the UK wants its penny and the bun when it is actually the other way around. Because Boris won't commit to anything and has said that he will accept customs checks rather than free movement Barnier has lost his cool and his incessant demands for access to UK fishing waters will be seen by the greater EU community as bullying. I mean, why should they expect to fish UK waters? The UK doesn't get a share of Swedish iron ore and Polish coal. I am convinced that there is a plan to allow EU boats to continue fishing in a licensed manner controlled by the UK, not the EU, and that is seen as emasculating the EU. Well, Barnier; you'd better get used to it.

Same with the rules and regulations. The wider EU public would never accept third party rules that they cannot challenge and have no say in there making, so why should the UK? And the EU public realise that. The reason this is so important to the EU negotiators is because if the UK set their own rules then the EU cannot stop them importing Moroccan oranges or Korean cars, and fridges and that will reduce the amount of EU goods bought by UK customers. This is a massive issue as many EU goods are unnecessarily expensive due to the import charges the EU puts on goods from outside in order to protect its own industries, many of which aren't British. The reason you don't see as many Samsung fridges and Hitachi vacuum cleaners in the UK is because the EU price them out of the market so Indesit and Bosch can sell more and that gives the EU manufacturers license to charge more for their goods.

Also, what isn't well known is that anything from outside the EU is subject to import duties and the EU gets 80% of all those import duties. They have made around €30 billion each year from creaming off the lion's share of import duties on goods UK customers buy. If the UK remain aligned to EU rules they won't be able to buy cheaper produce from Nth. Africa, Australia, Canada and Turkey because the EU will bring in rules to say that their oranges are too orange or the vacuum cleaner needs to be subject to an expensive test for conformity that delays its introduction to the market and makes it more expensive. And the UK wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

This week Boris dropped the customs checks bombshell. It went under the radar in the UK, but it hasn't gone un-noticed by the French and Spanish fruit and veg' growers. The last thing they need are lorries full of perishable produce stuck on dock sides waiting for clearance.  And the same lorries make the return trip with British sea food, and that is even more time dependent.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Barnier sacrificed in the next month or so.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,569]

ThAts a very erudite and well presented post that certainly educated me 

[Nicepix 5,650]

A bit of common sense from the continent:

With its tough and defiant approach to the United Kingdom, Europe is partly responsible for the country’s departure from the EU. But as it enters a post-Brexit era, it can’t afford to keep Britain at a distance.

The EU considered the impending tragedy of Brexit to be so absurd, so idiotic and backward, that it was long unwilling to accept it as a possibility. Brussels did nothing to help the lamentable Prime Minister David Cameron win the referendum. The EU thought it had to be unyielding in negotiations with Cameron’s successor Theresa May (“this deal or no deal”) in order to convince Britain not to go through with it and to scare others away from trying.

But the EU achieved exactly the opposite: In the three-and-a-half years since the June 2016 referendum, the British only became more determined to leave and more disgusted with the bloc. The Continent must now be at pains to avoid repeating those mistakes by once again transforming negotiations over future relations into an obstacle course.

The temptation to succumb to resentment and take steps to penalize Britain remains strong in Brussels. Simply allowing a powerful member state like the UK to leave unpunished calls the EU’s own self-image into question. The European project is rooted in the belief that there is no other option – in the rationally, though not emotionally, coherent conviction that European nation states must sacrifice a portion of their independence in order to find success in a globalized world.

Now, Brussels shouldn’t keep the UK at arm’s length: It must be possible to have them both out and in at the same time. It would be the second act of the tragedy if Johnson were able to strike a trade deal with Donald Trump’s America quicker than with the EU.

Continental Europeans are fully aware, of course, that if the relationship were to remain sour on the long term, the harm to them would be at least as large as it would be to the British. Nevertheless, a majority of the European public appears not to have understood the consequences that the historical break could have. And many European politicians, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, must face up to criticism that they didn’t do enough to truly understand the reasons for the sense of alienation between the UK and the EU. Otherwise, they would not have stood by and done nothing over the years as the crack widened into a gaping breach.

The unique role Britain played in Europe was mocked and impugned, seen as a yearning for lost greatness and caused by lingering pain from the loss of its empire. Much of Europe acted as though Brexit was only about British – or, more specifically, English – sensitivities, as though it didn’t also have existential implications for all of Europe. Some of the most zealous federalists even appear to be hoping that the EU has now been freed of a major hindrance and that the path is now open to a political union, as was agreed to in the Maastricht Treaty almost 30 years ago.

But the tactical maneuvering, the delays and the missed opportunities since then cannot all be blamed on British intransigence. Europe has always been ready to grant exceptions to Britain (and others), so-called opt-outs – on the currency union, on the Schengen Agreement and on the European Social Charter.

That was the deal from the very beginning: Britain would never be part of a complete political union, preferring instead to just a member of a confederation of states with a common market. Continental Europe could comfortably hide behind this contradiction because it concealed its own conflict over whether it wanted the EU to be an association of states or a true union. Britain’s EU membership was a misunderstanding inasmuch as it rested on the EU’s own disparity between the goals it proclaimed and the reality it lived.

 

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-can-t-afford-to-alienate-the-uk-after-brexit-a-6884d32f-d36d-40fa-bf1c-d74a7eb632f2

 

 

[WILF 44,334]

Importing million of Non Europeans into Europe since the end of the 2nd World War hasn’t been a sharing of blessings, it’s been a sharing of misery’s ........it’s didn’t raise the bar for Africans or Asians, it massively lowered the bar for Europeans.

These people keep pushing their agendas and at some point we are are all going to pay the price......history says it won’t be tolerated for ever.

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

Hows brexit going?

can you fly the union jack without fear of arrest yet

do the uber drivers speak english now

have all the keebab shops been replaced by pie n mash shops

is there more than one white guy playing for chelsea

 

[Greyman 25,295]

Once they get the message there will be a que at the exit,

[Meece 1,957]

what I have never understood is why people like bliar and major ect, ect had to gain from campaigning to stay in that cesspit.  they must have been taking a bung from somewhere.  its like berkow. Earlier this week, Mr Bercow confirmed that he had been proposed for a peerage by outgoing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. But he has suggested Downing Street is seeking to block his appointment to Parliament's upper chamber.  To blooming right.  Typical Corbin, to back the traitor like all the others. Boris may decide to talk to all sorts of foreign car manufacturers and offer all sorts of perks to them to set up bigger here .  I did hear the other day that Nissan were thinking about making more cars here in a bid to carve out other European manufacturers who will have to pay import taxes thus making there cars a lot more expensive.  I bet that has rattled alarm bells in their headquarters.  I still think that the gov should closely investigate the finances of these removers to check for back door bungs.

[si brown 8,486]

12 hours ago, Ted Newgent said:

Hows brexit going?

can you fly the union jack without fear of arrest yet

do the uber drivers speak english now

have all the keebab shops been replaced by pie n mash shops

is there more than one white guy playing for chelsea

 

No but Witherspoons dropped there prices and you can get two pints of carling for £4.70. 
it’s a winner

[ChrisJones 7,973]

It's a good start in the fight towards a much smaller government but it worries me that they're already talking about raising your taxes.

Edited February 6, 2020 by ChrisJones

[Greyman 25,295]

47 minutes ago, Meece said:

what I have never understood is why people like bliar and major ect, ect had to gain from campaigning to stay in that cesspit.  they must have been taking a bung from somewhere.  its like berkow. Earlier this week, Mr Bercow confirmed that he had been proposed for a peerage by outgoing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. But he has suggested Downing Street is seeking to block his appointment to Parliament's upper chamber.  To blooming right.  Typical Corbin, to back the traitor like all the others. Boris may decide to talk to all sorts of foreign car manufacturers and offer all sorts of perks to them to set up bigger here .  I did hear the other day that Nissan were thinking about making more cars here in a bid to carve out other European manufacturers who will have to pay import taxes thus making there cars a lot more expensive.  I bet that has rattled alarm bells in their headquarters.  I still think that the gov should closely investigate the finances of these removers to check for back door bungs.

Blair done a deal many years ago to sell our sovereign powers to the eu in exchange for his term as eu president, that’s why he was so desperate to overthrow brexit the others are probably on the gravy train through grants and subsides given to company’s they have places on the boards of, self serving bunch of b*****ds basically

[Greyman 25,295]

13 hours ago, Ted Newgent said:

Hows brexit going?

can you fly the union jack without fear of arrest yet

do the uber drivers speak english now

have all the keebab shops been replaced by pie n mash shops

is there more than one white guy playing for chelsea

 

None of the above but our economy is already predicted to rise at a much faster rate than the eu,s which is probably better,  we also get to vote for the people controlling our lives instead of being bullied by unelected overpaid pricks that like nothing about the uk apart from our money and I will settle for that as a starter

[WILF 44,334]

38 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

It's a good start in the fight towards a much smaller government but it worries me that they're already talking about raising your taxes.

Always the same on any major event mate, as I understand it they used decimalisation to nick a load of money off everyone.

We are out in name only for the next 12 months anyway, so maybe it’s a question for next year

[ChrisJones 7,973]

Question about UK commercial fishing.

I'm on a late shift today so I'm having a casual morning reading the news and I came across this article in a French newspaper. For those that can't be arsed reading the general gist is that the French are warning the Brits that 75% of their commercial fish catch is sold to France and they'll probably want to continue fishing it. A thorny discussion for when these trade deals get hammered out, no doubt.

So the question is will Britain capitulate or will they do what Iceland do and only allow it's own fisherman to fish it?

Iceland has done wonders to maintain, even increase it's own fish stocks, with this method and it could potentially re-invigorate the the UK fishing industry. The Icelanders patrol their waters with the navy and basically f*ck off any non-Icelanders that try it on.

Does anyone know, or even care, if this is on the table post-Brexit so to speak?

[Meece 1,957]

13 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Blair done a deal many years ago to sell our sovereign powers to the eu in exchange for his term as eu president, that’s why he was so desperate to overthrow brexit the others are probably on the gravy train through grants and subsides given to company’s they have places on the boards of, self serving bunch of b*****ds basically

There's got to be some reason behind their actions.  Why else would they fight tooth and nail to remain.  Why would John major who was a conservative prime minister threaten to seek a judicial review to stop the proroging of parliment risking drawing the queen into politics. Berkow bent every rule to buckle parliamentary procedure. Why.  Every action has a reason and all of their a tions didnt seem to match any known reason. In short one can only conclude that they were getting a backhand bung from somewhere that's why their finances and dealings should be examined in the finest detail. and as for the BBC !  They are still harking on about rejoicing the eu at some stage.  It's strange that Ken Clarke and Philip Hammond are being rumoured to be headed for the house of lords. And they still say that the mps will reject brexit in the end.  Traitors.

[Arry 18,631]

I hope to f**k they don't sell out our fishing waters, Boris says he won't we will see.

Cheers Arry