100 meter exclusion zone

[Francie 6,362]

For all the pro choicers, heres some science to support pro life, watch it to the end chris, but at start of vid your last point, no uterus no opinion is bladted out of water bud

[Francie 6,362]

4 minutes ago, Stavross said:

This is how it is and this is how it should be, nobody should have the right to tell somebody how to live there life or make decisions for them as long as they are living it with the law, other people’s views should not be forced onto others, one persons view may be different to another’s this doesn’t mean one is right and one is wrong 

So if the law was changed you fully support no abortions???

[ChrisJones 7,973]

3 minutes ago, dave88 said:

I think what Chris is trying to say is it would be like having a topic on here on circumcision and every reply was from a woman...no cock no comment lol

Kinda but despite what modern feminism has brought us as a society there are still fundamentally different roles in the reproductive process. A 9-second orgasm doesn't give you equality in a 9 month incubation period.

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

I don't buy into CJs principle here myself. It entirely focusses on the mother ignoring the third party. We don't apply that logic to other situations so I find it hard to get on board with. Though I admit I used to take the same position.

Agreed it completely ignores the father but I'm not ruling in favour of whether it's right, wrong, moral or otherwise. If a woman makes her decision she's should be able to freely exercise that right and there need to be medical facilities that reflect this. I don't think anyone wants to go back to the days of coathangers and flights of stairs.

[Stavross 13,781]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

So if the law was changed you fully support no abortions???

I have to stick with the law even if I don’t agree with it

my mrs doesn’t wear a wig because she’s a stripper 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

3 minutes ago, Francie said:

For all the pro choicers, heres some science to support pro life, watch it to the end chris, but at start of vid your last point, no uterus no opinion is bladted out of water bud

Mate I don't need to see a 10 minute YouTube video with a male commentator on women's reproductive systems. We've got a nice 8-page thread for that.

No uterus. No opinion.

[EDDIE B 3,120]

37 minutes ago, scothunter said:

Not saying you are dogman so don't take it personally.

But the wife could be married to a drunken wife beater who gambles the money. Mentally tortures the kids he does have even physical abuse. 

She could leave him but she has another 3 or 4 kids to raise as a single parent so she has taken the hard decision to abort. 

Not every abortion case is simply "oh I can't be f****d with another kid let's abort it".

The pro life like to paint these women as heartless whores which is not the case.

Two teens have a f**k she falls pregnant they are at school or just left no home no job no sense but you would ensist they had this kid. When they rely on their own parents for a roof and food in their bellies.and in all probability will spilt up anyway. 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Still don’t see a legit reason to kill a baby and throw it in the thrash. Sorry just the way I see it.

What if the wife had an afair with a black man, and there was a chance the kid could come out like Chicken George popping outa of a rabbit hole. Bet you'd be begging to get rid?

All joking aside, there wouldn't be many men who would stay with her, and take that on, even if it was to save the life of the kid.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

All joking aside, there wouldn't be many men who would stay with her, and take that on, even if it was to save the life of the kid.

She exercises the right to keep the child.

The man exercises his right not to support a child that was conceived without his contribution. If they're in a monogamous relationship he has the right to terminate that contract with the infidelity get out clause.

He has no responsibility here.

Edited April 10, 2018 by ChrisJones

[scothunter 12,609]

35 minutes ago, Francie said:

An what if hes not a drunk, an hes a respectable honest man scot, should he have no say???

After all it takes two to make a baby, not just the mother, so why does she have the right over the babies sn the father???

I dont know which pro life march youve been too, im pro life an i dont call them heartless or whores, maybe some are but the point is these women could have avoided this easily, but on the receiving end of a brutal procedure the baby is dead with no say in the matter.

Tbh scott your last paragraph is just full of excuses, maybe the two teens should of been taught to not f**k about an wait till there married eh?

So from your logic another baby dies cause these teens are what??? Poor no job blah excuses excuses.

Many a good man an woman were born to young parents, or parents with no job, its just excuses is all i hear.

Ffs look back 40 50 60 years, most didnt have a job an were raised on the bread line, f**k all wrong way that scott.

It's not an excuse it's a fact of life.i never once said the father wouldn't have a say in fact I bet there plenty cases where both agreed it was in their best interest in was referring to dogman post of bollocks but yet again you jumped all over it with "the father has rights" I don't dispute that. So of the father is in agreement you will accept the decision i doubt it. " How many pro life marches have I been on "none and won't be going to any as it's not my business.

Maybe the church should take in and care for all these unwanted kids. Oh wait they already did didn't they and beat the shit out of them and used them as sex toys 

[timmy k 571]

So its a sin to have an abortion

Its a sin to have sex before marriage 

Its a sin to wear contraception 

And its a sin to do her up the bum

You can stick your religion up your arse, ill just keep on sinning

[ChrisJones 7,973]

Question for the panel.

You're trapped in a fertility clinic. A fire breaks out and you can make one of two choices.

1. You can escape the building carrying 1500 fertilised embryos.
2. You can escape with the 5-year-old child who is trapped in the adjacent room.

You don't have time to do both.

Which do you pick?

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by ChrisJones

[Born Hunter 17,639]

9 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Kinda but despite what modern feminism has brought us as a society there are still fundamentally different roles in the reproductive process. A 9-second orgasm doesn't give you equality in a 9 month incubation period.

Agreed it completely ignores the father but I'm not ruling in favour of whether it's right, wrong, moral or otherwise. If a woman makes her decision she's should be able to freely exercise that right and there need to be medical facilities that reflect this. I don't think anyone wants to go back to the days of coathangers and flights of stairs.

I was actually referring to the prenatal human. I think the fact that there is this other  'individual' involved, an individual that could have been any of us, not just a female, makes the issue one everyone has a right to make a judgement on.

I completely agree with your final point. And it's probably the only reason I do tend towards supporting abortion to some degree. It's a pragmatic position rather than one consistent with my political ideology (every humans right to life specifically).

[EDDIE B 3,120]

5 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

She exercises the right to keep the child.

The man exercises his right not to support a child that was conceived without his contribution. If they're in a monogamous relationship he has the right to terminate that contract with the infidelity get out clause.

He has no responsibility here.

Yes but what if there was a 50/50 chance the kid could be his? What does he do? Beg her not to abort till the kid is born. Comes out the wrong colour, and then he walks away?

[Daniel cain 42,900]

5 hours ago, NEWKID said:

Is there no line drawn for you then mate?

apart from a mother at risk?

im not using stats (as I can't be assed to find them or believe them tbh) but I'm pretty sure it's more than 2% of woman who have terminations for a multitude of reasons other than the c**ts trick of contraception after the event..

infact I'm 100% sure many will be a both mother and father making the decision for many reasons... I'm sure at the 12 week scan when you are told the crushing news that your child will be born with disabilities which will incur a lifetime of care, and perhaps no quality of life for the child at all, we should force all of these people to continue with the pregnancy and cope for the rest of their lives..

Finley was the hardest thing we've ever done, we wanted to give up as every time we hit 12-14 weeks my wife would miscarry... she was told she could never carry girls and it would be these she was losing... now when she pregnant for Isla 2 years later, we knew it was a girl.. they wanted to test her for disibilities (can't remember the name but a long needle into the sack and test of her fluids/blood etc).. big risk of miscarriage particularly with her history... we said no and took the chance.. we were lucky Isla was born fine and healthy...

but who am I to tell someone else that they should continue a pregnancy for a severely disabled child...and who is anyone else to enforce that on somebody??

these protestors don't care what these people's problems are, they are all the devil in their eyes.... f***ing wrong IMO... sometimes you've got to walk in somebody else's shoes to understand the reasons...

 

Feel your pain kev mate..... Had the same with our first born, we chose to have the tests, my lad Daegan was born 2 pound 3 ozs and spent 3 months in a baby unit, dark dark times. Thank fully he is fine just turned 8, a little slow with his reading just enrolled him with a private tutor, we were told he could have severe downs along with other issues so took that test. I honestly take my hat of to folks who have and care for a child with a disability.... Like you said it brings a lifetime of immense  stress and heart ache the other end of the spectrum you have dirty skip rats that spit them out like shelling peas and don't deserve kids, just see them as a way to claim and free housing etc, I have cousins who don't deserve their children, just so happens that they went to other family members instead of care. When it comes to kids nothing  is just black and white imo. Abusive relationships, rape, under age, groomed there's plenty of factors involved. What I will say though is if a girl is a 'regular' 2/3 times they should be spayed, and alot more men should step up to the mark.... Any man can make a baby, but takes a real man to be a father to that child. 

[scothunter 12,609]

7 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Question for the panel.

You're trapped in a fertility clinic. A fire breaks out and you can make one of two choices.

1. You can escape the building carrying 1500 fertilised embryos.
2. You can escape with the 5-year-old child who is trapped in the adjacent room.

You don't have time to do both.

Which do you pick?

 

Look for a fire extinguisher lol

[ChrisJones 7,973]

6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I was actually referring to the prenatal human. I think the fact that there is this other  'individual' involved, an individual that could have been any of us, not just a female, makes the issue one everyone has a right to make a judgement on.

We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one my friend. Having been a supporting husband in three extremely difficult pregnancies, one child dangerously premature and two more that required life-saving surgery I'll always side with the health of the mother. I love my kids more than myself but to live in a world where I could have lost them all isn't one I want to live in.

6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I completely agree with your final point. And it's probably the only reason I do tend towards supporting abortion to some degree. It's a pragmatic position rather than one consistent with my political ideology (every humans right to life specifically).

That and I cannot be hypocritically pro-life and pro-death penalty on the same forum.

6 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

Yes but what if there was a 50/50 chance the kid could be his? What does he do? Beg her not to abort till the kid is born. Comes out the wrong colour, and then he walks away?

Well if we're shifting the goalposts then there are several things he can do but whichever he picks he's got to make peace with the fact his lady stepped out on him. I wouldn't remain in a relationship that there isn't 100% trust but that's another thread for another time.