DogMan85 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Well, I woke up this morning and have been listening all about the subject on radio 4, various bollocks from both sides. Now I have always maintained I want Scotland to remain part of the UK and I still feel that really BUT it occurred to me, it don't really matter a f**k to me any more as I don't live in the U.K. And then I thought something else, if we have had a vote on our independence as the UK it's a bit rich to then try and deny Scotland the same, in reality you can't with anything like a straight face. And what's more, in this time of major political changes (which I think is long overdue in the west) a smaller, poorer country may not actually be the disaster everyone talks about (for Scotland or England).......I think too much stock is put on GDP as a measure of happiness when it fact it seems that as GDP gets bigger people's actual life gets worse. Maybe a poorer country would be less populated by those who come to exploit the financial opportunities, a smaller country should in theory be a friendlier place to live. Maybe getting back to a simpler, poorer time is exactly what we need ? So, maybe it's worth throwing all the cards in the air and seeing how they fall because what the UK has at the moment is shit in many people's eyes. Bold but, like you said, it might be necessary. Over this side I always hear the argument regarding the economy. To us that means will we get a few scraps here and there but when you look at the news stations, and those pretty graphs, you're seeing billionaires become trillionaires... It doesn't mean much to the average worker other than more overtime for less money... Personally I think the SNP should honour the original referendum. Again it was the will of the people and you shouldn't be able to keep having a do-over until you get the result you want, especially when the results of the last referendums, while conclusive, were far from unanimous. What I'm more interested in knowing, from both Brexit and IndyRef [insert Number Here] is what are our panel of experts going to do once they get their way? Just on this forum alone, hearing individual reasons for voting based on their perceived grievance, we have many crosses to bear and not a single one has offered a solution to fix the problems facing the union in the coming decades. Independence was the goal. The goal was achieved... Now what? How do you fix the mess that caused you to vote in the first place? They could do it as many times as they want and still not get the result they want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Watching the c**ts conference right now. Man its a cult! lot of tinted folk in that audience. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,322 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The one thing that has changed is that the UK is exiting from Europe and the majority of Scots did vote to stay in Europe (although I understand Scotland is part of the UK and so should accept that result) but I feel now is the time to take risks, it's time to mess things up so let's give Sturgeon her vote and trust our brothers in Scotland and respect what they decide. After all, if a politician is telling you something is a very good idea then you have to assume it's a very bad idea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onion jonny 526 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 sh ive said for a long while that the snp is more of a cult than a political party, but it is a dangerous cult with people at the head of it who care not about the future but what glory their small minded followers will shower on them, they are causing a devide among the people of scotland and britain and among friends and family, civil unrest will come and even worse will happen, all because the leaders of the snp have warped minds and will push on with this nonsense no matter what the cost 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,322 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The scots are a bit more clued on than many are giving them credit for, they voted to stay part of the union and also voted overwhelmingly for SNP at the GE because that's the best of both worlds for Scotland because if anything the SNP are defiantly only in it for themselves and Scotland........they don't give a bollocks about the rest of Britain. That makes total sense to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The one thing that has changed is that the UK is exiting from Europe and the majority of Scots did vote to stay in Europe (although I understand Scotland is part of the UK and so should accept that result) but I feel now is the time to take risks, it's time to mess things up so let's give Sturgeon her vote and trust our brothers in Scotland and respect what they decide. After all, if a politician is telling you something is a very good idea then you have to assume it's a very bad idea London voted remain, should they become independent of the UK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The one thing that has changed is that the UK is exiting from Europe and the majority of Scots did vote to stay in Europe (although I understand Scotland is part of the UK and so should accept that result) but I feel now is the time to take risks, it's time to mess things up so let's give Sturgeon her vote and trust our brothers in Scotland and respect what they decide. After all, if a politician is telling you something is a very good idea then you have to assume it's a very bad idea London voted remain, should they become independent of the UK?Wasn't there ridiculous talks of that on the beginning? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,817 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The one thing that has changed is that the UK is exiting from Europe and the majority of Scots did vote to stay in Europe (although I understand Scotland is part of the UK and so should accept that result) but I feel now is the time to take risks, it's time to mess things up so let's give Sturgeon her vote and trust our brothers in Scotland and respect what they decide. After all, if a politician is telling you something is a very good idea then you have to assume it's a very bad idea London voted remain, should they become independent of the UK? I thought they already where 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) The one thing that has changed is that the UK is exiting from Europe and the majority of Scots did vote to stay in Europe (although I understand Scotland is part of the UK and so should accept that result) but I feel now is the time to take risks, it's time to mess things up so let's give Sturgeon her vote and trust our brothers in Scotland and respect what they decide. After all, if a politician is telling you something is a very good idea then you have to assume it's a very bad idea London voted remain, should they become independent of the UK?Wasn't there ridiculous talks of that on the beginning?I wouldn't be surprised with the sour losers..... Edited March 18, 2017 by DogMan85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html%3Famp Thought I'd seen it somewhere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 I live on the border, the English side, I don't really feel English, im not, neither are most of my mates, we all have a Scottish mam or a jock grandma or papa Genetically I have more in common with a lad from Glasgow than from Manchester, I have more in common, I support a jock football team, I worked in Scotland from 16 till 23 , I probably have more Scottish friends than English My maternal uncle was born in Scotland , lived there as an infant moved when he was about 6 to England and has worked over the border for nearly forty years , our family are all Scottish, his interests of shooting, photography and hill walking are all carried out in Scotland He's a Scottish man living 3 miles into England Yet he had f**k all input into the referendum But my cousin who lives 20 miles north and has never worked a day in Scotland did Where will an independence yes leave me and my uncle as homeowners on the border? Going to Scotland is an everyday occurrence for us, will it mean a toll? What effect will it have on the price of our house in a town where roughly 50 percent of the population are extracted from scots or work in Scotland There are 25 names in my phone right now of lads I knock about with who live in England yet work and spend the majority of time in Scotland, lads who are English as f**k but were born in Dumfries infirmary Where will it leave me financially ? And more worryingly them? My jobs pretty secure , but for a lot of my friends they are tradesmen or their wives are employed in hospitality or retail over the border, what of their jobs? When the snp can't even tell us what currency they are going to use? to be fair mate, the referendum has just been mentioned, it goes to the vote in holyrood in a few days..am hopfull the yes side will have learnt from the last campain and the questions on currency etc will be more clear this time around.. no toll, hard border etc, thats 100% its been confirmed for ireland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,322 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 All I mean is that May should just say " ok then, on you go and pay for it out of your own budget"...then its in the lap of the gods and it stops all the crying once and for all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Joe your whole argument for Indepenance rests upon the notion Europe will welcome an independent Scotland with open arms. Question: would you till seek Indepenance if EU membership was off the table, yes or no? Joe? Joe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Scotshunter, I'm liking your posts.. Where I am it just seems so different, how?? Just by walking , listening, I hope I'm wrong and the good strong folk and intelligent people of Scotland prevail. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Joe your whole argument for Indepenance rests upon the notion Europe will welcome an independent Scotland with open arms. Question: would you till seek Indepenance if EU membership was off the table, yes or no? Joe? Joe? I believe there are options to be in the single market and not part of the eu, EFTA/EEA??? Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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