Sliverback

[Welsh_red 4,307]

 

 

well you knocking up 450-500 lb prob 3 times that for a sliver back, feck and i was happy knocking up 260 lb when i was young sprog

 

I was just trying to work it out....if the average man in the street can bench say 200 lb that means the average gorilla could bench 2000 lb.........nah cant see it myself.

 

Whats my life come to.....sitting trying to work out how much a gorilla can bench press

 

 

 

It's all science and mathematics, my friends. Let's just think about it logically. A gorilla is certainly strong, but primarily in movements that are natural to its adaptations. I like the GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORD'S 1985 edition estimate that a STRONG and healthy AVERAGE silverback gorilla could probably deadlift about 2 times that of the world's strongest man (if it were trained). The scientists used actual performance of chimpanzees in specific movements to estimate that an average highly trained (500 lb.) silverback gorilla might deadlift 1,800 lbs whereas the world's strongest men might deadlift 900 lbs. An average man might deadlift 200 lbs.

 

No other research to date has been based on as much hard evidence. Even so, these estimates are very rough.

 

Case in point: This evidence indicates that an average 500 lb. silverback gorilla MIGHT be 9 times stronger than an average man and 2 times stronger than the world's strongest man (but only in movements that it excels at).

 

The estimates used by shows on the Discovery channel argue that silverback gorillas are 20 times stronger than average humans. These estimates are not valid because they are based on gorillas breaking bamboo. Why are the estimates invalid? The gorilla often bites the bamboo which makes it easier to break. Hence this is not a pure arm strength measurement! The Discovery channel pretends it is scientific estimate of the gorillas arm strength.

 

These estimates are even more ridiculous because they assume that just because the gorilla is much stronger than humans in certain movements that this automatically transfers to a lot of other movements. In other words, Discovery took the bogus 20 times stronger figure and applied it to overhead lifts (which gorillas would suck at). This is just absurd and is very poor scientific thinking. The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

A gorilla CANNOT lift 4,000 lbs. overhead. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. I say this with almost absolute certainty. A gorilla CANNOT lift 2,000 lbs. overhead. This isn't because a gorilla is weak. A gorilla would struggle to maintain balance if it tried to press a weight greater than its own bodyweight overhead. Its legs don't have the right balance of stabilizing muscles, its back is not erect enough, and its arms are too long. An overhead press would not even be a fair test of the gorilla's strength! The bench press would be easier for the gorilla, but the gorilla still has mechanical disadvantages (i.e. extremely long arms). I would be absolutely shocked if a gorilla could bench press anywhere near 2,000 lbs even with extensive training. (And yes, I'm assuming the gorilla cooperated.)

 

If the strongest man on the planet can bench-press 700 lbs. (without support gear), a trained healthy male silverback gorilla may or may not be able to match that. I don't know. We just don't know the gorillas potential. So many factors make it difficult to guess. Physical strength is a very complex characteristic involving multiple factors (mass, neuroligical efficiency, tendon shape etc.).

 

In conclusion, a gorilla is certainly much stronger than an average man in MOST movements, but possibly weaker than the world's strongest men in some movements. Humans are good at overhead lifts. World class power lifters are well designed for bench pressing. Gorillas might beat the strongest men in most upper body movements, but not all of them.

 

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[Francie 6,362]

Must be a double bed now lol

[mushroom 12,389]

 

 

 

 

 

well you knocking up 450-500 lb prob 3 times that for a sliver back, feck and i was happy knocking up 260 lb when i was young sprog

 

I was just trying to work it out....if the average man in the street can bench say 200 lb that means the average gorilla could bench 2000 lb.........nah cant see it myself.

 

Whats my life come to.....sitting trying to work out how much a gorilla can bench press

 

It's all science and mathematics, my friends. Let's just think about it logically. A gorilla is certainly strong, but primarily in movements that are natural to its adaptations. I like the GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORD'S 1985 edition estimate that a STRONG and healthy AVERAGE silverback gorilla could probably deadlift about 2 times that of the world's strongest man (if it were trained). The scientists used actual performance of chimpanzees in specific movements to estimate that an average highly trained (500 lb.) silverback gorilla might deadlift 1,800 lbs whereas the world's strongest men might deadlift 900 lbs. An average man might deadlift 200 lbs.

 

No other research to date has been based on as much hard evidence. Even so, these estimates are very rough.

 

Case in point: This evidence indicates that an average 500 lb. silverback gorilla MIGHT be 9 times stronger than an average man and 2 times stronger than the world's strongest man (but only in movements that it excels at).

 

The estimates used by shows on the Discovery channel argue that silverback gorillas are 20 times stronger than average humans. These estimates are not valid because they are based on gorillas breaking bamboo. Why are the estimates invalid? The gorilla often bites the bamboo which makes it easier to break. Hence this is not a pure arm strength measurement! The Discovery channel pretends it is scientific estimate of the gorillas arm strength.

 

These estimates are even more ridiculous because they assume that just because the gorilla is much stronger than humans in certain movements that this automatically transfers to a lot of other movements. In other words, Discovery took the bogus 20 times stronger figure and applied it to overhead lifts (which gorillas would suck at). This is just absurd and is very poor scientific thinking. The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

A gorilla CANNOT lift 4,000 lbs. overhead. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. I say this with almost absolute certainty. A gorilla CANNOT lift 2,000 lbs. overhead. This isn't because a gorilla is weak. A gorilla would struggle to maintain balance if it tried to press a weight greater than its own bodyweight overhead. Its legs don't have the right balance of stabilizing muscles, its back is not erect enough, and its arms are too long. An overhead press would not even be a fair test of the gorilla's strength! The bench press would be easier for the gorilla, but the gorilla still has mechanical disadvantages (i.e. extremely long arms). I would be absolutely shocked if a gorilla could bench press anywhere near 2,000 lbs even with extensive training. (And yes, I'm assuming the gorilla cooperated.)

 

If the strongest man on the planet can bench-press 700 lbs. (without support gear), a trained healthy male silverback gorilla may or may not be able to match that. I don't know. We just don't know the gorillas potential. So many factors make it difficult to guess. Physical strength is a very complex characteristic involving multiple factors (mass, neuroligical efficiency, tendon shape etc.).

 

In conclusion, a gorilla is certainly much stronger than an average man in MOST movements, but possibly weaker than the world's strongest men in some movements. Humans are good at overhead lifts. World class power lifters are well designed for bench pressing. Gorillas might beat the strongest men in most upper body movements, but not all of them.

 

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So King Kong was bullshit then??? :laugh:

[MR RABBIT 715]

Another music legend gone R.I.P

[walshie 2,804]

Does it annoy anyone else that this topic is called sliverback?

[Kay 3,709]

No one jumped in over the fence to talk with the gentle protective 400lb gorilla??? Funny that.

 

Just got their camera phones out.

 

In other news today a mother and civil partner were found guilty of murdering her 2 year old son.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36417415

 

 

It's SO facebook sad about the gorilla

I had to switch the telly over when they described what that toddler had suffered...... I do hope they both get what they deserve whilst in prison

[bird 9,594]

 

 

well you knocking up 450-500 lb prob 3 times that for a sliver back, feck and i was happy knocking up 260 lb when i was young sprog

 

I was just trying to work it out....if the average man in the street can bench say 200 lb that means the average gorilla could bench 2000 lb.........nah cant see it myself.

 

Whats my life come to.....sitting trying to work out how much a gorilla can bench press

 

[Kay 3,709]

Folk are only raging as now it's been shot and they are paying the same money to see only nine gorillas bored out their mind rather than ten. How dare they kill that gorilla it had years of captivity ahead of it

Apparently this Gorilla was captive bred in Texas... reared by some bloke over there & moved to that zoo so it could be used as a sire ... a pretty miserable existence if you ask me. ... I wonder how many of these captive bred Gorillas actually live a fairly '' normal '' existence or are they now just bred & farmed out to other zoos for our entertainment .. you dont hear about these release sites now

 

I do recall some years ago Jamie aspinal had some breeding programe in place & a soft release set up... will have a look into that

[Kay 3,709]

 

 

Folk are only raging as now it's been shot and they are paying the same money to see only nine gorillas bored out their mind rather than ten. How dare they kill that gorilla it had years of captivity ahead of it

Apparently this Gorilla was captive bred in Texas... reared by some bloke over there & moved to that zoo so it could be used as a sire ... a pretty miserable existence if you ask me. ... I wonder how many of these captive bred Gorillas actually live a fairly '' normal '' existence or are they now just bred & farmed out to other zoos for our entertainment .. you dont hear about these release sites now

 

I do recall some years ago Jamie aspinal had some breeding programe in place & a soft release set up... will have a look into that

Exactly you wonder how much natural instinct these things have left. There's another interesting read about a gorilla called jambo. Same situation gorilla "protected" a young boy in the 80s . News interviewed the boy who's now a man and he agreed the gorilla should have been shot. Plenty footage

 

All this talk of Gorillas I was at my moms this aft & we recalled an incident that happened in the 70's.... the couple who lived a few doors from me's son & daughter in law where gorilla keepers at Dudley zoo... his wife was attacked by a silverback while she cleaned out the enclosure

 

Apparently there was no witness to the event but it left her quite seriously injured....I dont know what happened to her mind you it was donkeys yrs ago

 

Bloody hell I found a bit on line about it ..

 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19690909&id=ipRAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CqUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2062,1514083&hl=en

[terryd 8,043]

broken thighs bloody hell that weren't no pat on the back

[bird 9,594]

At the end of the day they consigned to a life In jail

Solitary really.

Now and again anger will manifest .

true , when in the wild they move about looking for fresh roots, so they dont stay where they are. i rather see them on the tv in there wild state , than in the flesh down a 15ft water pit/ enclosure .

[Born Hunter 17,638]

I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.

I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

 

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

 

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.

While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.

In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

 

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

 

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.

Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

 

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!

They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.

Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.

I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but their should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.

I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

 

*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009

 

 

 

 

Taken from someone in the know !!!!

 

Fantastic post. It's a shame that this sort of grounded thinking is not the predominant line in today's sensationalist social media world.

[walshie 2,804]

I'm not a fan of apes or monkeys as all they seem to do is play with themselves or stick their fingers up their bum. It was a captive gorilla which seems like a pretty shit life but that's all it knew, then one day it gets shot for doing exactly the same as it has done for the last 17 years.

[leethedog 3,071]

 

 

Folk are only raging as now it's been shot and they are paying the same money to see only nine gorillas bored out their mind rather than ten. How dare they kill that gorilla it had years of captivity ahead of it

Apparently this Gorilla was captive bred in Texas... reared by some bloke over there & moved to that zoo so it could be used as a sire ... a pretty miserable existence if you ask me. ... I wonder how many of these captive bred Gorillas actually live a fairly '' normal '' existence or are they now just bred & farmed out to other zoos for our entertainment .. you dont hear about these release sites now

 

I do recall some years ago Jamie aspinal had some breeding programe in place & a soft release set up... will have a look into that

Exactly you wonder how much natural instinct these things have left. There's another interesting read about a gorilla called jambo. Same situation gorilla "protected" a young boy in the 80s . News interviewed the boy who's now a man and he agreed the gorilla should have been shot. Plenty footage

That gorilla was a female and if I remember right she was an experienced mother she gave the child up to a keeper .a silver back who let's face it dragged the child round is a different matter in my opinion it was right to shoot it but to even things up shoot the fat lazy mother to

[johnny boy68 11,725]

I'm not a fan of apes or monkeys as all they seem to do is play with themselves or stick their fingers up their bum. It was a captive gorilla which seems like a pretty shit life but that's all it knew, then one day it gets shot for doing exactly the same as it has done for the last 17 years.

The same thing it's done for 17 years? LOL. I didn't realise the gorilla had kids over on a regular basis.lol