Micky , dead is dead mate , the .270 is really plenty of gun for our deer , It was my 1st deer rifle which I shot for a few years taking plenty of fallow & reds with it & the only time they needed following was down to me not putting the round on money ..I now shoot a 6.5 x55 that again does the job very well on the fallow & roe , with very little meat loss . I have not shot a red with it yet but cant see one standing up if the round is in the right place ...