In reply to that, I’ve head shot rabbits out to 180 yards lasered with .22 subs. Purely for pest control, they could be taken with body shots further out than that. Can fac air achieve this? I doubt that they would carry the energy, but then I haven’t had the opportunity to try these slugs. The thing is though, at 22 grains that’s half the weight and less than half the muzzle energy of a .22 sub, I can’t see how they would perform favourably. As for shooting into trees, there’s cb longs etc at 29 grains and 35 ish ft lbs easily available. I keep an open mind and I know how useful fac air is, b