I agree totally with you dee mac a stayer is more important than anything,but this iron hard bitch thats dug to once a year on fox and is kept just to kill the fox in a hard spot was to grips for an hour and this was after the fox was shot,had other dogs in at it and in the end when they finally got to dig to it they tried to draw it with more dogs and when that did'nt work they tried a tonges, and first he said he could not get it with tonges then he said they had the terrier with tonges and when he finally decided to grap the poor thing with his hands he wanted to bait a young terrier with i