iv had dogs that id almost bet on it finding a dead or running bird, might not have won trials, far from it but it is a good game finder... the very same dog iv watched a couple of time stand on a dead w, cock and snipe and not pick up the scent i also shot at a spanial trial, first bird up was a w, cock.. it dropped stone dead 35 yards out, i marked it bang on, 3 owners were brought up to have a run with there dogs, none found it.. judges walked to the tree stump id marked it at, and there it was.....not sure about 2 of them but one guy is one of the best in the country.....