Two nice pups DC got my first dog when i was about 12 and taught the right way if i didnt listen i got a clip round the lug was always told stock break ya dogs to all livestock am 56 now and never had a dog or pup grab any livestock and if i did the farmer wouldnt need to shoot the dog ad do it myself and if I was on my permission and saw a dog raging a sheep i would shoot that an all there is no need for it