i have just got a 2nd hand myopts for £50....lovelly bit of kit....on the hw77 i have a AGS SWAT 4-16 X 56......nice scope...cost me £200 and mint....would sell for £150....that scoipe if a real minter and works well out to any range you like.....Baldie, your right about the hawke, the total range is just cheap shit and i would not have it given......i have tried it and i do not like it at all........the optics are not good enough for deer stalking/bullets guns...ok on an airgun though......but i would rather have a nikko s/c or g/c...tried the platinum, but i didnt like them too much..the