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[roundmouth86 251]

In my opinion you never see The best of a dog until you’ve done a season or two together anyway and it’s because you both grow in confidence and experience together as a team.

[Glyn..... 5,235]

1 hour ago, roundmouth86 said:

So if a dog doesn’t need any encouragement to be dug from the off and they only do it for themselves why does it take longer to get some entered rather than others? It’s a team effort in my opinion and when a dogs confidence is sky high Because of how well he’s kept and educated he or she is more often than not going to be the best animal he can be, otherwise they’d all just be locked in the pen until 16 months old then hey presto another legend. Rabbit hunter I’m definitely with you on this one but hey what do I know Glyn ?!

Ryan i have no idea what you know , what i can see is those of you who keep terriers from the same family have the same opinion so at least its consistent, i don't over face a terrier pup , but i don't fanny about with them neither, mine are walked stock broken all will have been walked up to and had a sniff in holes from 3 months , if i can i'll wait until they are around 15 months to start them others earlier  but once a pup has meet his quarry started baying i don't expect it to come off , the words once its meet/ found and that is the only way in which i allow them to progress is in the finding in larger places    each to there own i won't be keeping your stuff anymore than you would be mine , which is a good thing 

Edited January 23, 2019 by Glyn.....

[dillydog 8,530]

You're welcome to a day out whenever it suits Glyn, I've got nothing to hide or fear. Just because I don't expect instant results or legends from day one doesn't mean I don't own one, they all have to have hours in the classroom to make the animals they become. 

 

[Glyn..... 5,235]

6 minutes ago, dillydog said:

You're welcome to a day out whenever it suits Glyn, I've got nothing to hide or fear. Just because I don't expect instant results or legends from day one doesn't mean I don't own one, they all have to have hours in the classroom to make the animals they become. 

 

Thanks for the offer Dillydog if i get a spare time i might take you up on your kind offer  

[Apache... 2,588]

That's teamwork for you lads

[Dig-deep-draw-charlie 2,713]

1 mans dirt is another mans treasure, I hunt with boys who would rather pack dogs in that kennel wat I have, I think about the same as them!!  

[dogmandont 10,063]

1 hour ago, chesney said:

Come on lads seriously educated game in a big place could easily make a young dog look very foolish the gamble can pay of and he should stay and see it out but it can just as easy go the other way. 

Totally agree chesney and I’d never put a young dog in that situation well not knowingly anyway, I’ve seen good dogs get the run around in rangey places no deeper than 3 foot but if it was a straight forward place then yes I’d be disappointed, in my opinion it’s more important for a young dog to learn how to find and stick at it whereas the staying part should be completely natural. 

[Lenmcharristar 10,645]

1 minute ago, dogmandont said:

Totally agree chesney and I’d never put a young dog in that situation well not knowingly anyway, I’ve seen good dogs get the run around in rangey places no deeper than 3 foot but if it was a straight forward place then yes I’d be disappointed, in my opinion it’s more important for a young dog to learn how to find and stick at it whereas the staying part should be completely natural. 

A young up n coming boxer has to learn his trade so he starts easy to get the feel, smell,sensations of what’s expected of him, he certainly isn’t put up against hw champ in his 1st bout, he should be put into situations according to his ability and the more he learns the higher and better he should progress, and keep winning, why should it be any different to dogs?

[aaron01 739]

11 hours ago, howdeeposxxt said:

If terrier was on his quarry and walked away from it to me that's a jacker and the worst possible start and a very quick end to his/her working life. From day one they need to be consistent.

You either have a yard full of world beaters or an empty yard with that view to me there’s no right or wrong way to enter a young dog your opinion is based on the outcome if he digs it in your mind it’s the perfect start if he doesn’t you are downhearted from day one the truth of the matter is a great dog isn’t born great it takes time effort and lots of work you have got to allow for hiccups along the way and any man that tells you that he has got everything he’s put the dog too I’d take with a pinch of salt I’ve been lucky enough to see some top class dogs both hard no reverse types and rock steady away with no damage and none are any better than the other it’s just personal preference to your style of hunting and the land you hunt 

[aaron01 739]

Got home from work early yesterday two digs in the same hedgeline

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

44 minutes ago, aaron01 said:

You either have a yard full of world beaters or an empty yard with that view to me there’s no right or wrong way to enter a young dog your opinion is based on the outcome if he digs it in your mind it’s the perfect start if he doesn’t you are downhearted from day one the truth of the matter is a great dog isn’t born great it takes time effort and lots of work you have got to allow for hiccups along the way and any man that tells you that he has got everything he’s put the dog too I’d take with a pinch of salt I’ve been lucky enough to see some top class dogs both hard no reverse types and rock steady away with no damage and none are any better than the other it’s just personal preference to your style of hunting and the land you hunt 

There's hiccups and there is walking away from your quarry.   Ill stand by what I said I've no place for walkers. I would allow for hiccups for a young dog too make mistakes below ground but once he is there in the finish thats a result and a good start for a young dog, but to walk to me is the worst start possible 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I’ve seen a young dog come away at 14 month old and bounce out of a hole playing with the other dog that was tied up as if it was some sort of game, the same dog made it into old age as a good digging dog. Maybe a better terrier man would have put the dog down immediately?

Macho bullshit results in empty kennels, I’ve seen a dog that was wanting work from 10 months old turn out a coward and on the other hand a dog that never entered until he was 19 months old be the hardest dog I’ve ever seen. There’s too much of a grey area to be making rash decisions with first season dogs.

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

Nothing Macho about it RH , its how alot of terriermen do it and with great result and have good standard of terriers to show for it, we all have own ways I for one couldnt live with a walker some can and also get a good outcome from them ? I would feel alot more confident with a young dog that stays too making the grade than one that walks. There is a fierce difference in a young dog thats not ready and a young dog that walks  . I wouldnt let a young dog in until i feel he is ready and if on quarry and walks it surely is not something I think terriermen should be so placid about.

Edited January 24, 2019 by howdeeposxxt

[marshman 7,758]

Be patient but don’t suffer from kennel blindness my old dad used to say .  Took me years to realise that lol still know f**k all and still learning 

[aaron01 739]

2 hours ago, howdeeposxxt said:

There's hiccups and there is walking away from your quarry.   Ill stand by what I said I've no place for walkers. I would allow for hiccups for a young dog too make mistakes below ground but once he is there in the finish thats a result and a good start for a young dog, but to walk to me is the worst start possible 

There’s a big difference in a green pup losing game or something happens underground and it doesn’t have the experience to work it out and walking away from the quarry it’s being able to spot the difference I’m no fool they don’t all make it regardless of breeding but just because they didn’t dig the game doesn’t always mean they walked either it’s a matter of personal opinion how you view the dog