Tyson fury

[NEWKID 28,518]

9 hours ago, Greyman said:

Definitely think usyk is to soon and agree with you regarding his last fight, think  two or three better fights next year before he starts moving up, he just has that old fashioned drive about him that I like, more interested in fighting than talking

I like the lad too, he might come at the right time for this current crop... not a golden age by any stretch.

Ali compared to Tyson Fury... ffs... even Fury would cringe at that..lol

 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by NEWKID

[low plains drifter 11,178]

5 hours ago, shaaark said:

Agree with everything you say, apart from your last sentence

Who took the pep out of your erami ? 

[gnasher16 31,398]

On 05/09/2020 at 08:43, JDHUNTING said:

That's fair enough but if you compare what they was to what they are then the old timers won't stack up and you don't need any boxing knowledge to see that, every single sport with measurable outcomes have constantly improving athletes/records I don't see why boxing's any different other than there's no set criteria to gauge against hence it's open to opinion, and when its open to opinion it's human nature to let your emotions sway your thinking. If no one had thought to time running races you'd have die hard Jesse Owens fans claiming he's faster than bolt. 

Footballs another look at the 66 team, legends and the only real giants of the English game given what they did etc but they'd prob be trounced by a modern England team even though for their respective eras there's no comparison.

Thats just evolution in sport and life itself though mate today a 4 minute mile is common place so is it fair to say anyone who consistently runs a 4 minute mile is a " better " runner than Roger Bannister ?.......my only real sporting hero was Bobby Moore,for me he was the greatest centre half this country has ever produced yet i watched Eric Dier play for England yesterday and he runs faster than Bobby Moore is stronger than Bobby Moore jumps higher is physically fitter etc etc.........but no football fan alive would say he is a " better " footballer than Bobby Moore........like i say when comparing different eras you just have to keep it sensible or it gets silly.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

7 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats just evolution in sport and life itself though mate today a 4 minute mile is common place so is it fair to say anyone who consistently runs a 4 minute mile is a " better " runner than Roger Bannister ?.......my only real sporting hero was Bobby Moore,for me he was the greatest centre half this country has ever produced yet i watched Eric Dier play for England yesterday and he runs faster than Bobby Moore is stronger than Bobby Moore jumps higher is physically fitter etc etc.........but no football fan alive would say he is a " better " footballer than Bobby Moore........like i say when comparing different eras you just have to keep it sensible or it gets silly.

But that's exactly what I've been saying all along... I think it is anyhow it started with me saying fury would beat Ali as they were and are as such just like some Ethiopian (don't know there names) would beat Roger bannister and the 66 team would prob lose to the 92 team that didn't even qualify( maybe not thinking back). Not saying they're greater in terms of to there eras but still better. Suppose it's like comparing an e type Jag to the new one, no ones ever going to argue which ones the greater historical car and no ones any doubt which they'd want to see drive down the street but the new one would win a race everytime.

 

Anyhow I've prob put more thought into this thread than I should've since I've realised I've been arguing with the same bloke with two different accounts

[Greb147 6,810]

28 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

But that's exactly what I've been saying all along... I think it is anyhow it started with me saying fury would beat Ali as they were and are as such just like some Ethiopian (don't know there names) would beat Roger bannister and the 66 team would prob lose to the 92 team that didn't even qualify( maybe not thinking back). Not saying they're greater in terms of to there eras but still better. Suppose it's like comparing an e type Jag to the new one, no ones ever going to argue which ones the greater historical car and no ones any doubt which they'd want to see drive down the street but the new one would win a race everytime.

 

Anyhow I've prob put more thought into this thread than I should've since I've realised I've been arguing with the same bloke with two different accounts

I think you've taken that much of a paggering you're suffering from concussion.

How do you explain away George Foreman? 

A fighter who belonged in the 70's and who won the world title in the mid 90's  which was one the best eras in the history of the sport and he did all that after not having a fight in a decade? 

If the sport evolved like you said it does then Foreman wouldn't have even been a contender considering the circumstances. 

In reality he put on a great performance in a losing title bid against Holyfield, knocked out Michael Moorer who had defeated Holyfield, forced Tommy Morrison who could hit like a mule fight a cautious fight that he never did before or since and to top it off was robbed against Shannon Briggs in his last ever fight. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Greb147

[gnasher16 31,398]

14 hours ago, Jonjon79 said:

That's the thing - Fury isn't one of the all time greats but, he's doing well in his group and, he's a  character. 

 ........ I like him for all his messing about and flambouyance - he's interesting and he's winning. 

 

I do think that he would have probably been unheard of if he'd been in the same generation as Foreman and Ali but, he's not.

 .......... I like him and, I hope he goes on to win all of the heavyweight belts. 

Thats the long and the short of it.....Fury is a decent fighter who makes good use of his physical advantages.....for boxing purists its not nice to see fighters become world champions on physical size alone ( Valuev being a perfect example ) but it is what it is until boxing comes into the 21st century in terms of weight divisions this kind of thing will continue to happen in heavyweight boxing....for me in terms of boxing ability Fury came on a bundle when he got away from his family trainers he started utilising his height and reach in what is very basic 1st and 3rd boxing technique you learn in the amateurs....throw,wait for the counter and then counter the counter Fury does it very effectively but all his tools in the ring are centred around his size which simply cant be compared to the pure skill and ability of an Ali or the sheer rugged aggression and gameness of a Frazier i like the way Fury reads a fight he makes life very uncomfortable via pace and pressure at the right times but he has never been pressed,nobody has ever fully gone after Fury and thats the type of opponent that he avoids........as regards all the out the ring stuff/character etc who cares quite frankly but i guess thats the times we live in.

[gnasher16 31,398]

24 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

But that's exactly what I've been saying all along... I think it is anyhow it started with me saying fury would beat Ali as they were and are as such just like some Ethiopian (don't know there names) would beat Roger bannister and the 66 team would prob lose to the 92 team that didn't even qualify( maybe not thinking back). Not saying they're greater in terms of to there eras but still better. Suppose it's like comparing an e type Jag to the new one, no ones ever going to argue which ones the greater historical car and no ones any doubt which they'd want to see drive down the street but the new one would win a race everytime.

 

Anyhow I've prob put more thought into this thread than I should've since I've realised I've been arguing with the same bloke with two different accounts

Its probably just a wording issue when you hear someone say Tyson Fury would beat Muhammad Ali you tend to think they are saying Fury is better but of course its all relative and again like i said to your first post....put 40% on Ali and take 40% off Fury as an evolutionary allowance and it becomes a joke fight....we got their in the end 

[neil82 1,088]

9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats the long and the short of it.....Fury is a decent fighter who makes good use of his physical advantages.....for boxing purists its not nice to see fighters become world champions on physical size alone ( Valuev being a perfect example ) but it is what it is until boxing comes into the 21st century in terms of weight divisions this kind of thing will continue to happen in heavyweight boxing....for me in terms of boxing ability Fury came on a bundle when he got away from his family trainers he started utilising his height and reach in what is very basic 1st and 3rd boxing technique you learn in the amateurs....throw,wait for the counter and then counter the counter Fury does it very effectively but all his tools in the ring are centred around his size which simply cant be compared to the pure skill and ability of an Ali or the sheer rugged aggression and gameness of a Frazier i like the way Fury reads a fight he makes life very uncomfortable via pace and pressure at the right times but he has never been pressed,nobody has ever fully gone after Fury and thats the type of opponent that he avoids........as regards all the out the ring stuff/character etc who cares quite frankly but i guess thats the times we live in.

delete every post from the haters, delete all from the lovers of Fury, this one single post covers it all 

[keepdiggin 9,567]

Anyone else cringe when people use these words when discussing boxing

 

schooled

shithouse

dosser 

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4 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

At least folk are waking up to the possibility of Fury beating Ali if it was poss they both met at their best

Fair play max.you called it from the start and stuck with it.

[TOMO 28,577]

7 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

At least folk are waking up to the possibility of Fury beating Ali if it was poss they both met at their best

not me mate ...Ali would gave him a boxing masterclass then stopped him..

and deep down you know it

[TOMO 28,577]

didn't fury get droped by a taxi driver ..

about 5 year ago....lol try again mate

[Rogerbill 104]

1 hour ago, TOMO said:

didn't fury get droped by a taxi driver ..

about 5 year ago....lol try again mate

Dont mean anything,he has improved a lot since then.

 

[Rogerbill 104]

5 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Thats the long and the short of it.....Fury is a decent fighter who makes good use of his physical advantages.....for boxing purists its not nice to see fighters become world champions on physical size alone ( Valuev being a perfect example ) but it is what it is until boxing comes into the 21st century in terms of weight divisions this kind of thing will continue to happen in heavyweight boxing....for me in terms of boxing ability Fury came on a bundle when he got away from his family trainers he started utilising his height and reach in what is very basic 1st and 3rd boxing technique you learn in the amateurs....throw,wait for the counter and then counter the counter Fury does it very effectively but all his tools in the ring are centred around his size which simply cant be compared to the pure skill and ability of an Ali or the sheer rugged aggression and gameness of a Frazier i like the way Fury reads a fight he makes life very uncomfortable via pace and pressure at the right times but he has never been pressed,nobody has ever fully gone after Fury and thats the type of opponent that he avoids........as regards all the out the ring stuff/character etc who cares quite frankly but i guess thats the times we live in.

Who has fury avoided?

 

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3 hours ago, keepdiggin said:

Anyone else cringe when people use these words when discussing boxing

 

schooled

shithouse

dosser 

That's Max's 3 favourite words