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1 minute ago, MH1 said:

Slippery slope when you start breeding working breeds for pet traits surely?

Too many breeds been ruined already 

it's been going on for a long time now breeding for colours ect pets4homes and gumtree was flooded with them and blue ones selling for more people breeding just to get blues, I'm gonna be very honest I dont think there worth the price tag as a pup, it's the hours training in them that adds value (been sold 6m/1yr) but going picking out a 8 week old pup paying 1,000+ I think is over priced but that's the market price for a well bred one.

It's about the money not the dogs anymore worse thing that could of happened was that Mali going on the mission to kill osama bin laden with the navy seal team after that every c**t and his mother was on google and YouTube searching them and watching videos thinking it was cool to own one 🙄 YouTube shows flashy videos won't show you the metal bowels been chewed in pens the countless pairs of bottoms ruined by pups hanging outta you dogs barking there heads off at all hours for nothing 😂 many a night been out in the yard in my underwear freezing the balls off myself getting them back into there kennels, some them would hear a mouse fart and there crashing off the pens barking there heads off.

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Some great posts H&B. Your dead right about those youtube Mali clips we've all been watching. It's all very impressive stuff, until you start breaking it down and rationalising on what it would be like to own a dog like that, especially for those who would have no idea of what would need to go into a dog wired like that..!

And again your dead right in the difference between PP and guarding.

For me i have no need for either type. Certainly don't require a PP dog and don't need a guard dog either, as i ain't got much to guard and unless i had, i really dont want to feed one, or put my time and effort into such an animal. As a hunter, all my time us/should be dedicated to my hunting dogs. Now what i have found is that as my hunting dogs double-up as family pets and when we are at home, spend their days with us constantly, their doggy loyalty starts to shine and they take on a nice steady basic guarding role on our property.

For us its the best of both worlds, a hunter come pet, that instinctivley knows when somethings not right and alerts us. Job done!

Some of the dogs we've had have been better than others, of course but ALL over the past 25 years+ have shown this side. I may be wrong but a dog that feels part of the 'family' will act accordingly when it senses something ain't right.

The best of them was my last lurcher, bred by Joe Ox, Ike had a fair drop of collie blood and a dash of bull. He was just about as quiet and gentle a family dog as you'd find BUT really did have a second sense with strangers, near or entering our property. A real Jeckle & Hyde dog, I have no doubt that if anyone would have entered our garden he would of 'directly' defended us.

And for me, thats just about all i need. 😉

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You cant go wrong with a rottie, mine has just turned 14months , one of the best gaurd dogs i have owned.

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18 hours ago, hang & bang said:

it's been going on for a long time now breeding for colours ect pets4homes and gumtree was flooded with them and blue ones selling for more people breeding just to get blues, I'm gonna be very honest I dont think there worth the price tag as a pup, it's the hours training in them that adds value (been sold 6m/1yr) but going picking out a 8 week old pup paying 1,000+ I think is over priced but that's the market price for a well bred one.

It's about the money not the dogs anymore worse thing that could of happened was that Mali going on the mission to kill osama bin laden with the navy seal team after that every c**t and his mother was on google and YouTube searching them and watching videos thinking it was cool to own one 🙄 YouTube shows flashy videos won't show you the metal bowels been chewed in pens the countless pairs of bottoms ruined by pups hanging outta you dogs barking there heads off at all hours for nothing 😂 many a night been out in the yard in my underwear freezing the balls off myself getting them back into there kennels, some them would hear a mouse fart and there crashing off the pens barking there heads off.

Doberman is a great example of that , 

Official  War  dog of US Marine Corps during World  War ll , Pacific duty in Guam places like that , nerves of steel , 

Splashed all over the papers  and news in the States  at the time , everyone wanted one , you can’t breed friendliness into a breed,  all your doing is breeding a flaw/weakness  Into the Animal  , 

when they stop breeding for purpose and function, you f**k up the genetic pool 

almost unheard now as a true working animal , I’d hate to see that happen to the Mali 

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2 hours ago, Casso said:

Doberman is a great example of that , 

Official  War  dog of US Marine Corps during World  War ll , Pacific duty in Guam places like that , nerves of steel , 

Splashed all over the papers  and news in the States  at the time , everyone wanted one , you can’t breed friendliness into a breed,  all your doing is breeding a flaw/weakness  Into the Animal  , 

when they stop breeding for purpose and function, you f**k up the genetic pool 

almost unheard now as a true working animal , I’d hate to see that happen to the Mali 

Good insight and some history in there thanks for sharing Casso.

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5 hours ago, Adamposh said:

You cant go wrong with a rottie, mine has just turned 14months , one of the best gaurd dogs i have owned.

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done any protection work with him? Fine looking animal.

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6 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

Some great posts H&B. Your dead right about those youtube Mali clips we've all been watching. It's all very impressive stuff, until you start breaking it down and rationalising on what it would be like to own a dog like that, especially for those who would have no idea of what would need to go into a dog wired like that..!

And again your dead right in the difference between PP and guarding.

For me i have no need for either type. Certainly don't require a PP dog and don't need a guard dog either, as i ain't got much to guard and unless i had, i really dont want to feed one, or put my time and effort into such an animal. As a hunter, all my time us/should be dedicated to my hunting dogs. Now what i have found is that as my hunting dogs double-up as family pets and when we are at home, spend their days with us constantly, their doggy loyalty starts to shine and they take on a nice steady basic guarding role on our property.

For us its the best of both worlds, a hunter come pet, that instinctivley knows when somethings not right and alerts us. Job done!

Some of the dogs we've had have been better than others, of course but ALL over the past 25 years+ have shown this side. I may be wrong but a dog that feels part of the 'family' will act accordingly when it senses something ain't right.

The best of them was my last lurcher, bred by Joe Ox, Ike had a fair drop of collie blood and a dash of bull. He was just about as quiet and gentle a family dog as you'd find BUT really did have a second sense with strangers, near or entering our property. A real Jeckle & Hyde dog, I have no doubt that if anyone would have entered our garden he would of 'directly' defended us.

And for me, thats just about all i need. 😉

The hunter / pet you mention as much as we all like to go on about how much we only care about the dogs working ability I'll admit myself forming bonds with dogs outside the field is enjoyable and if been honest a bonus, once it's working to the standard I expect haven a bond with the dog is a bonus.

 

Saying that I've had some working dogs that didn't even like been petted real serious type that's no problem I'll always keep a dog on ability 1st. Just referring to your post haven the bond is a bonus I agree.

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Couldn't be doing with a Mali as a guard dog or  a pp dog.I'll stick with the bandogs.Totally laid back around people all the time im relaxed around them and like all my neighbor's say If we hear your dog bark we get up and have a look because we know shes doing it for a reason.

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Can't like Bosun's post 👍

 

Also like the ones that will let you know if someone is lurking about in the dark when your out

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@downsouth I've worked some very capable bandogs it's prefrance rely in witch you rather for a guard dog or PP dog, a good Mali and good bandog I wouldn't go near either without a suit on, valid point also noted with "laid back" thy don't need as much stimulation mentally to be content.

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On 10/10/2018 at 09:04, mud said:

Don’t think you can go wrong with a good malinois 

I honestly think all this fella needs is a big dog that’ll bark at strangers. A good mal in inexperienced hands can be an insurance liability. 

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8 hours ago, hang & bang said:

@downsouth I've worked some very capable bandogs it's prefrance rely in witch you rather for a guard dog or PP dog, a good Mali and good bandog I wouldn't go near either without a suit on, valid point also noted with "laid back" thy don't need as much stimulation mentally to be content.

Thats what turned me onto them after time with other breeds.The way they can read situations and switch on and switch completely off when needed to.Of course im talking about proper bred mastiff based bandogs not some of these scatter bred mungrels that are being bred for silly colours that are having the name bandog hung on them to make a few quid.

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18 hours ago, hang & bang said:

done any protection work with him? Fine looking animal.

Yes we have done the basics with him, but hes mainly roaming our yard daily .  

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3 hours ago, Adamposh said:

Yes we have done the basics with him, but hes mainly roaming our yard daily .  

Well you got a dog to guard the yard, as u say hes "roaming your yard daily" the simplsity of it 😂 sometimes life is just that easy 😂😂😂 again fine looking animal and doesn't look like a yard dog in the seance that his coat and condition is A1 fair play nice to see a dog doing what he was bred to do and been well kept.

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5 hours ago, downsouth said:

Thats what turned me onto them after time with other breeds.The way they can read situations and switch on and switch completely off when needed to.Of course im talking about proper bred mastiff based bandogs not some of these scatter bred mungrels that are being bred for silly colours that are having the name bandog hung on them to make a few quid.

Been a while since I was looking at bandogs seen some tidy ones from Serbia and Sweden can't reamber the names of the kennels thy were from if i heard the name I'd reamber. Always fancied one bred from them kennels I'm not as active as I used to be and kennel space these days is a issue.

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