Tommy Robinson How Is He Viewed In Britain At The Moment

[tatsblisters 7,955]

There is a problem with various aspects of our culture but you don't get rid of illness by picking at the sores you treat the infection itself. If people from a particular section of society feel they are marginalised and their identifying traits are attacked then one must look to that. Muslims around the world see people they have a connection with suffering, children killed and maimed and no end to that suffering. Most of the problems in north Africa etc are largely due to outside forces, the UK being a major contributor. We have armed and supported Saudi Arabia who then have gone on the spread a hard line version of Islam and instigated wars in its name, we have supported Israel, who have changed from victim to victimisers in a generation etc etc. Young men ever look for a banner to stand behind an if you start a fight between opposing forces you can't complain when the violence spreads to your own door.

 

Religion is rarely a course for violence rather it is an excuse, be that paedophiles or war and that goes as much for Christians using the bible to vindicate their wrongdoing as any other religion, at the end of the day we all have the ability to decide if what we do is wrong or right.

 

In short Tommy is just a spot picker, tying to inflame a situation to gain a little publicity for himself.

So you are blaming the grooming gangs on wars in muslim countrys.

[WILF 44,334]

There is a problem with various aspects of our culture but you don't get rid of illness by picking at the sores you treat the infection itself. If people from a particular section of society feel they are marginalised and their identifying traits are attacked then one must look to that. Muslims around the world see people they have a connection with suffering, children killed and maimed and no end to that suffering. Most of the problems in north Africa etc are largely due to outside forces, the UK being a major contributor. We have armed and supported Saudi Arabia who then have gone on the spread a hard line version of Islam and instigated wars in its name, we have supported Israel, who have changed from victim to victimisers in a generation etc etc. Young men ever look for a banner to stand behind an if you start a fight between opposing forces you can't complain when the violence spreads to your own door.

 

Religion is rarely a course for violence rather it is an excuse, be that paedophiles or war and that goes as much for Christians using the bible to vindicate their wrongdoing as any other religion, at the end of the day we all have the ability to decide if what we do is wrong or right.

 

In short Tommy is just a spot picker, tying to inflame a situation to gain a little publicity for himself.

I agree with much of that post, it's a good post.

You make an important point about sections of society feeling marginalised and I would argue that people like Tommy Robinson exist and have a following because people (just like Tommy Robinson) feel marginalised.

I would argue that a huge section of the indigenous British people feel themselves to be increasingly excluded, victimised, abused and pushed aside (except when it's time to pay in to the system of course !!) in their native homeland.

They see authority seemingly bending over backward to facilitate everyone's life except theirs, people who have no connection or love for the homeland other than what it can provide and who have in their ranks sections that actively want to kill them and do them harm.

 

The indigenous peoples concerns are dismissed, pushed aside or simply labaled the rantings of mad racists when in fact most people are nothing of the sort.

Prentending a problem isn't there is exactly the same as not dealing with a root cause (as you state in your post)

Tommy Robinson will exist all the time we simply refuse to admit that what we are doing isn't working.......locking ordinary people up for voicing the truth out loud isn't good enough.

 

Let's tell the truth, every ethnic group on the planet has a culture and those cultures all have a value in their own right......but not all of those cultures will be a good fit for each other, they can't and won't co exist peaceably however many laws you make to force them together.

[sandymere 8,261]

1, cultures evolve and change over time, just look at our past, there are no indigenous peoples, we are a mongrelised mishmash.

2 The claim that everyone is getting a better deal than me doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the case of ethnic minorities,quite the opposite in fact.

3 A lot are racist but hopefully with time and education this can change, at least for all but the most ignorant.

4 We are living in difficult times and people look for someone to blame and minorities are always an easy target, perhaps be better to blame the monied interest that got us here.

Lastly we'd be in a worse place without immigration.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0&ved=0ahUKEwiT9fuYhevWAhWKVRoKHfraAYEQFghAMAM&usg=AOvVaw311A9j4ix6Zjr5cuy8xV5r&ampcf=1

[WILF 44,334]

1, cultures evolve and change over time, just look at our past, there are no indigenous peoples, we are a mongrelised mishmash.

2 The claim that everyone is getting a better deal than me doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the case of ethnic minorities,quite the opposite in fact.

3 A lot are racist but hopefully with time and education this can change, at least for all but the most ignorant.

4 We are living in difficult times and people look for someone to blame and minorities are always an easy target, perhaps be better to blame the monied interest that got us here.

Lastly we'd be in a worse place without immigration.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0&ved=0ahUKEwiT9fuYhevWAhWKVRoKHfraAYEQFghAMAM&usg=AOvVaw311A9j4ix6Zjr5cuy8xV5r&ampcf=1

There you go, perfect example......if a person or group of people say "we feel pissed off" is that real or are they lying ?

 

If a person says it then they probably mean it, and that is a problem.......no amount of showing them facts and figures will change their mind and it certainly does not mean they are making it up........if they feel it, it real ! Simple as that.

 

Your reply is a perfect example of why these people are pissed off........it's the standard reply from all political types:

"no, no you are not you silly little man.....you just think you are.......now go away and be quiet before we give you a fixed penalty !"

 

Refusing to accept that people's concerns are real (even if some study or thenother dont bare it out) is a massive part of the problem.

You really are as bad as the people you criticise and every bit as hypocritical as those you call hypocrites.

 

Part........of......the.......problem!

[Francie 6,362]

There is a problem with various aspects of our culture but you don't get rid of illness by picking at the sores you treat the infection itself. If people from a particular section of society feel they are marginalised and their identifying traits are attacked then one must look to that. Muslims around the world see people they have a connection with suffering, children killed and maimed and no end to that suffering. Most of the problems in north Africa etc are largely due to outside forces, the UK being a major contributor. We have armed and supported Saudi Arabia who then have gone on the spread a hard line version of Islam and instigated wars in its name, we have supported Israel, who have changed from victim to victimisers in a generation etc etc. Young men ever look for a banner to stand behind an if you start a fight between opposing forces you can't complain when the violence spreads to your own door.

 

Religion is rarely a course for violence rather it is an excuse, be that paedophiles or war and that goes as much for Christians using the bible to vindicate their wrongdoing as any other religion, at the end of the day we all have the ability to decide if what we do is wrong or right.

 

In short Tommy is just a spot picker, tying to inflame a situation to gain a little publicity for himself.

Your always bringing in the bible sandy, nothing ever good to say about it,how do the christians use the bible to vindicate there wrongdoing?

 

The recent wars i seen are caused by the love of money an power.

 

So you reckon each individual has the ability to deceide if there wrong or right, but what about folk who think, wrong is right an vice versa?

 

Also theres plenty of paedos in the secular community pal,

[WILF 44,334]

I wouldn't sweat it Francie, you know and I know that Sandy is yet another socialist who advocates viewing life without borders or bigotry and yet singularly fails to put aside his own bigotry in any of his replies.

 

Bigotry is only bigotry if it's THEIR version of bigotry ! Lol

 

Folk like him create fertile breeding grounds for lads like Tommy Robinson........one simply cannot thrive without the other

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[ChrisJones 7,973]

People keep saying he's an opertunist and only in it for himself but is he really

 

He's living with very real death threats to him and his family plus constant abuse from the police

 

Is he? Or is he saying he is?

 

I'd also like to know why he hasn't covered the systemic abuse of children by members of the establishment.

[WILF 44,334]

 

People keep saying he's an opertunist and only in it for himself but is he really

He's living with very real death threats to him and his family plus constant abuse from the police

 

Is he? Or is he saying he is?

 

I'd also like to know why he hasn't covered the systemic abuse of children by members of the establishment.

I'd be inclined to beleive the bloke myself mate, it all adds up and is born out by what we see day to day in real life.

But you make a good point about his investigating the establishment.......he either hasn't considered it, is holding that up his sleeve or just don't want to push the government that far for fear of his own life being destroyed by them.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

People keep saying he's an opertunist and only in it for himself but is he really

He's living with very real death threats to him and his family plus constant abuse from the police

 

Is he? Or is he saying he is?

 

I'd also like to know why he hasn't covered the systemic abuse of children by members of the establishment.

Because he is not interested.

[jukel123 6,570]

Pissed off, marginalised people will attack what they see:.......immigrants, those they see as benefit scroungers, petty people in authority and politicians plainly on the make.

They don't see the real picture. They don't see their employment rights as being poor compared to equivalent countries. They don't see what little the uk government spends on health, education and housing compared to other European countries. They don't see the level of inequality in this country because they've grown up with it. I'm pushing 70 and I have seen, in my lifetime, life getting a lot harder for people. It should be the opposite way round. we should be progressing, instead we are going backwards. Robinson is loved by the establishment because he diverts attention away from the shocking levels of inequality in this country. He keeps the poor fighting amongst themselves.

 

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[Accip74 7,112]

Pissed off, marginalised people will attack what they see:.......immigrants, those they see as benefit scroungers, petty people in authority and politicians plainly on the make.

They don't see the real picture. They don't see their employment rights as being poor compared to equivalent countries. They don't see what little the uk government spends on health, education and housing compared to other European countries. They don't see the level of inequality in this country because they've grown up with it. I'm pushing 70 and I have seen, in my lifetime, life getting a lot harder for people. It should be the opposite way round. we should be progressing, instead we are going backwards. Robinson is loved by the establishment because he diverts attention away from the shocking levels of inequality in this country. He keeps the poor fighting amongst themselves.

 

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You might have a point about the establishment. Tommy's field of investigative journalism is so narrow, that at least they know where he is? No surprises?

[jukel123 6,570]

 

Pissed off, marginalised people will attack what they see:.......immigrants, those they see as benefit scroungers, petty people in authority and politicians plainly on the make.

They don't see the real picture. They don't see their employment rights as being poor compared to equivalent countries. They don't see what little the uk government spends on health, education and housing compared to other European countries. They don't see the level of inequality in this country because they've grown up with it. I'm pushing 70 and I have seen, in my lifetime, life getting a lot harder for people. It should be the opposite way round. we should be progressing, instead we are going backwards. Robinson is loved by the establishment because he diverts attention away from the shocking levels of inequality in this country. He keeps the poor fighting amongst themselves.

 

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You might have a point about the establishment. Tommy's field of investigative journalism is so narrow, that at least they know where he is? No surprises?

 

 

Edited October 12, 2017 by jukel123

[jukel123 6,570]

 

 

Pissed off, marginalised people will attack what they see:.......immigrants, those they see as benefit scroungers, petty people in authority and politicians plainly on the make.

They don't see the real picture. They don't see their employment rights as being poor compared to equivalent countries. They don't see what little the uk government spends on health, education and housing compared to other European countries. They don't see the level of inequality in this country because they've grown up with it. I'm pushing 70 and I have seen, in my lifetime, life getting a lot harder for people. It should be the opposite way round. we should be progressing, instead we are going backwards. Robinson is loved by the establishment because he diverts attention away from the shocking levels of inequality in this country. He keeps the poor fighting amongst themselves.

 

scale-economic-inequality-uk

You might have a point about the establishment. Tommy's field of investigative journalism is so narrow, that at least they know where he is? No surprises?

 

 

 

 

 

And he doesn't scrutinise their lives and the abuses they get away with.........including alleged child abuse.

Edited October 12, 2017 by jukel123

[kanny 19,417]

[jukel123 6,570]

Kanny that clip didn't do your argument much good imo. He's picking out articles from the f****n Daily Star and the f****n Daily Mail. The Star is written so a person with a reading age of 7 can follow it, (all tits and lies) and The Daily Mail is well The Daily Mail, the paper that supported fascism during WW2 before seeing the light and belatedly supporting Britain. Only last week it was revealed Thatcher had instructed "look after The Daily Mail" because she knew it would support her twisted agenda unfailingly. Add Murdoch's 'Sun' to the list and what chance have the British public of having a written media which reports news fairly?