Trump Under Fire

[kanny 21,677]

Sadly Faith has become another rebel victim being sacked ..shame she did some good work. ..

[kanny 21,677]

[ChrisJones 7,975]

No it was one side protesting on a controversial issue (and some preparing for the inevitable backlash by taking shields and the like),and the other throwing their toys out of the pram and becoming violent as they usually do.

 

He seemed to be trying to play it down while preaching for cohesion in his first address,but that's not what drew the real attention.

It was the 'violence on both sides' comment that sparked all this condemnation worldwide,he broke a political taboo among the left,right and everywhere in between by criticising far left terrorists.

 

And he should be respected for that.

You have two minority groups that both contain a smaller minority of violent activists. Both are trying to make their causes relevant by committing violent actions. Calling out violent left, and violent right isn't new. These people arrange to fight each other and both of them should be dealt with harshly and punitively. All he's demonstrating at this point is that he should be sticking to real estate. I mean does anyone here seriously believe that that girl had to die, and those actions were an appropriate preparation for the inevitable backlash?

 

While I agree with you, that he was probably trying to play it down, he showed a complete and utter lack of skills in this arena. When a demonstrator drives a vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one and injuring nineteen, responding with the equivalent of "They Started It" is beyond piss poor. Why did he wait until the aftermath to comment, when this rise in political violence has been on the increase for years?

 

He's had ample opportunity to fix this situation but has remained silent until now. Especially as he's been very quick to condemn the actions of other that have committed similar offences in the name of jihad. Selective outrage, perhaps? Although I'll grant you that he's done what no president in 25 years has ever been able to do, and that's united the Republicans, and Democrats, in bipartisan condemnation of his comments!

 

If Trump ended world hunger, brokered world peace and single handedly found a cure for all cancers the mad lefty b*****ds would still have it in for him

Agreed. Some will hate on him no matter what, but is he anywhere near saving the world? Is he anywhere near passing any major piece of legislation? Does he get a free pass because he hasn't done anything yet?

 

How do you feel about Don's proposal to do away with overtime pay after 40 hours, to boost job growth? Or his proposal to cut health-care for 24 million people?

[scothunter 12,609]

Oh they dont care about any of that chris. As long as he hates on muslims everything else is irrelevant. Hes a liar, a fraud and the most un presidential person ever!

 

makes a mockery of the very office he holds and there is nothing not even the saddest tragedy he won't use to score points. Its cringeworthy watching all those yes men he surrounds himself with look utterly horrified by some of his statements, but continue to defend him. Respect to the ones who quit or refused to work for him.

 

oh and before any of the pro trump start. Im no f***ing leftie! Just a man who can see what an absolute horror of a human being trump is!

[neems 2,406]

 

No it was one side protesting on a controversial issue (and some preparing for the inevitable backlash by taking shields and the like),and the other throwing their toys out of the pram and becoming violent as they usually do.

 

He seemed to be trying to play it down while preaching for cohesion in his first address,but that's not what drew the real attention.

It was the 'violence on both sides' comment that sparked all this condemnation worldwide,he broke a political taboo among the left,right and everywhere in between by criticising far left terrorists.

 

And he should be respected for that.

You have two minority groups that both contain a smaller minority of violent activists. Both are trying to make their causes relevant by committing violent actions. Calling out violent left, and violent right isn't new. These people arrange to fight each other and both of them should be dealt with harshly and punitively. All he's demonstrating at this point is that he should be sticking to real estate. I mean does anyone here seriously believe that that girl had to die, and those actions were an appropriate preparation for the inevitable backlash?

 

While I agree with you, that he was probably trying to play it down, he showed a complete and utter lack of skills in this arena. When a demonstrator drives a vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one and injuring nineteen, responding with the equivalent of "They Started It" is beyond piss poor. Why did he wait until the aftermath to comment, when this rise in political violence has been on the increase for years?

 

He's had ample opportunity to fix this situation but has remained silent until now. Especially as he's been very quick to condemn the actions of other that have committed similar offences in the name of jihad. Selective outrage, perhaps? Although I'll grant you that he's done what no president in 25 years has ever been able to do, and that's united the Republicans, and Democrats, in bipartisan condemnation of his comments!

 

 

 

 

How did they 'arrange to fight each other'?

 

One group showed up as they often do to attack a demonstration,the demonstrators prepared for that scenario,are you saying people should just be cowed by violent activists/terrorists and not exercise their right to assemble or right free speech?

 

Because I've read a lot of left leaning news articles making that argument,and it won't lead anywhere good for America.

 

He condemned the driver and praised the woman and her family in no uncertain terms,he just refused to condemn all of the protesters who were attacked for expressing their rights as Americans.

 

There is a clear difference,the murderer can be lumped in with all those 'counter protesters' who showed up to attack demonstrators.

The demonstrators who went equipped to defend themselves are not infringing others rights or initiating any violence.

 

To blame them is to use the same argument as people who'd say the woman in the short skirt deserved to be raped.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Oh they dont care about any of that chris. As long as he hates on muslims everything else is irrelevant. Hes a liar, a fraud and the most un presidential person ever!

makes a mockery of the very office he holds and there is nothing not even the saddest tragedy he won't use to score points. Its cringeworthy watching all those yes men he surrounds himself with look utterly horrified by some of his statements, but continue to defend him. Respect to the ones who quit or refused to work for him.

oh and before any of the pro trump start. Im no f***ing leftie! Just a man who can see what an absolute horror of a human being trump is!

 

With you on every word of that,Scot !

 

I too had high hopes for The Donald, but he's been a disappointment from Day One. He's an embarrassment, lurching from one PR disaster to the next. I, sadly, have to admit that he isn't fit to hold public office, let alone the highest one ! You can't get by on egotistical bravado and bluster.....

[WILF 50,203]

I have said for a while, I think Trump is great.......not because I think he is the most skilled leader or great statesman.......he's great because he is the bitter medicine the world has to take as a result of the utterly mad place it finds itself in.

 

We have all been run by nutters so long that we can't even remember what sane is !!........Trumps a nutter just the same as some one toothed, backwoods genetic reject who thinknof himself as an aryan warrior is a nutter.......but they are the equal and opposite manifestation of what we have now.......they just don't have as good a PR team !

 

If you think of yourself as anti Trump or anti Obama or whatever, if you are thinking in terms of self then you are pretty much probably a reflection of the thing you don't like......you are in fact, part of the problem.

Edited August 19, 2017 by WILF

[WILF 50,203]

 

No it was one side protesting on a controversial issue (and some preparing for the inevitable backlash by taking shields and the like),and the other throwing their toys out of the pram and becoming violent as they usually do.

 

He seemed to be trying to play it down while preaching for cohesion in his first address,but that's not what drew the real attention.

It was the 'violence on both sides' comment that sparked all this condemnation worldwide,he broke a political taboo among the left,right and everywhere in between by criticising far left terrorists.

 

And he should be respected for that.

 

You have two minority groups that both contain a smaller minority of violent activists. Both are trying to make their causes relevant by committing violent actions. Calling out violent left, and violent right isn't new. These people arrange to fight each other and both of them should be dealt with harshly and punitively. All he's demonstrating at this point is that he should be sticking to real estate. I mean does anyone here seriously believe that that girl had to die, and those actions were an appropriate preparation for the inevitable backlash?

 

While I agree with you, that he was probably trying to play it down, he showed a complete and utter lack of skills in this arena. When a demonstrator drives a vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one and injuring nineteen, responding with the equivalent of "They Started It" is beyond piss poor. Why did he wait until the aftermath to comment, when this rise in political violence has been on the increase for years?

 

He's had ample opportunity to fix this situation but has remained silent until now. Especially as he's been very quick to condemn the actions of other that have committed similar offences in the name of jihad. Selective outrage, perhaps? Although I'll grant you that he's done what no president in 25 years has ever been able to do, and that's united the Republicans, and Democrats, in bipartisan condemnation of his comments!

 

If Trump ended world hunger, brokered world peace and single handedly found a cure for all cancers the mad lefty b*****ds would still have it in for him

 

Agreed. Some will hate on him no matter what, but is he anywhere near saving the world? Is he anywhere near passing any major piece of legislation? Does he get a free pass because he hasn't done anything yet?

 

How do you feel about Don's proposal to do away with overtime pay after 40 hours, to boost job growth? Or his proposal to cut health-care for 24 million people?

I'll pick up on your last couple of points mate if I can and hold them up as an example of the way a gift somehow becomes a right.

 

Now I have no read the details but I take it he is not suggesting people don't get paid at all, my guess is he is saying there should be no extra pay over an above normal hourly rate and that there should in fact be no state legislated minimum hourly rate.

 

If you think about it logically, that makes total sense.

If a person commits to a job of work and agrees the fee then that is the fee, it's not up to the state to then legislate and extra gift over and above the agreed price......the fee in any normal way of thinking should be a matter strictly for the employer and the employee.

If the employer chooses to pay extra for over time that is in fact a gift from them to the worker.

When did a gift become a right and why should it even be a right in any normal, even handed way of thinking?

If an employer wants to keep the best people they will look after them at his own discretion because it makes sense them to do so.........no state intervention required.

 

Healthcare.......again, a state legislated gift of charity NOT a right.

Much as we all approve of some kind of health care for those unable to take care of themselves the fact of the matter is that it is NOT a right, it is an act of charity that is legislated by the state for other people to pay for.

Anyway you dress it up, that's what it is.

 

And I think those two points highlight perfectly how the world has got a nasty illness of never callungva thing actually what it is, it's called something else and dressed up to look the way the people proposing it want it to look.

And mate, I think people know it and they are becoming sick of it......what you see is a reaction to a world government that has engineered a society of falsifications and lies and called them "normal"

None of what we have is normal, it's all somebody else's bright idea to suit their own agenda.

[Francie 6,368]

 

Oh they dont care about any of that chris. As long as he hates on muslims everything else is irrelevant. Hes a liar, a fraud and the most un presidential person ever!

makes a mockery of the very office he holds and there is nothing not even the saddest tragedy he won't use to score points. Its cringeworthy watching all those yes men he surrounds himself with look utterly horrified by some of his statements, but continue to defend him. Respect to the ones who quit or refused to work for him.

oh and before any of the pro trump start. Im no f***ing leftie! Just a man who can see what an absolute horror of a human being trump is!

With you on every word of that,Scot !

 

I too had high hopes for The Donald, but he's been a disappointment from Day One. He's an embarrassment, lurching from one PR disaster to the next. I, sadly, have to admit that he isn't fit to hold public office, let alone the highest one ! You can't get by on egotistical bravado and bluster.....

Tough shit lads, you really dont like trump scot do you, sounds personel to me, trump was voted in fair an square by the people, who do you think you are scot, to say, that trump isnt fit to hold public office lol

 

You must be very proffesinal scot, how many buisness do you own?

How many votes have you got?

 

You dont like trump personally, just admit it, ye can tell from your posts, you sound like a bitter man, lighten up to fook he aint that bad.

[WILF 50,203]

"You will work in my vineyard for a dinarius, you will also work in my vineyard for a dinarius......."

 

"But we worked longer than the last man you hired....."

 

"Did you not agree to work for a dinarius?.......is it not upto me to choose how I spend my own money?"

 

That reality and common sense and that's all Trump is proposing........can somone point out what's mad about that?

[scothunter 12,609]

No i dont like him. Thought that was plain even to the thickest of c**ts!

 

personal no id need to know someone "personally" to make it "personal"!

 

"who do i think i am" eh a man with an opinion and common sense.you have plenty f***ing opinions yourself and are judgemental.

 

Yea cause having businesses and votes makes you ok does it lol

what about this NWO bullshit you throw up regulary. Aren't they all business owners and elitists.

You really do pick and drop points depending what way it fits into your way of thinking.

 

But hey carry in thinking trump is the answer to all that is wrong lol

[Blackbriar 8,569]

 

Trump seems happiest when he's on the world stage, putting his chest out, in full-on Alpha Male mode.

 

His comments, and subsequent clarifications and explanations, following the Charlottesville trouble, have shown him to be a political coward - his "there was violence on many sides" stance is, for me, on a par with Corbyn's "not all Muslims are terrorists"......both display an obvious reluctance to call things out for what they are !

[green lurchers 17,063]

don just being don hes one of the good guys in the wild wild west

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Oh they dont care about any of that chris. As long as he hates on muslims everything else is irrelevant. Hes a liar, a fraud and the most un presidential person ever!

 

makes a mockery of the very office he holds and there is nothing not even the saddest tragedy he won't use to score points. Its cringeworthy watching all those yes men he surrounds himself with look utterly horrified by some of his statements, but continue to defend him. Respect to the ones who quit or refused to work for him.

 

oh and before any of the pro trump start. Im no f***ing leftie! Just a man who can see what an absolute horror of a human being trump is!

 

I get that, mate, I just don't understand the balls out admiration for the bloke. I gave him a blank slate when he got in. He's had 8 months of opportunities to start what he promised... All he's done so far is play golf and roll back environmental protections. Clocks ticking if he wants to do right by the office and not just his interests.

 

How did they 'arrange to fight each other'?

 

One group showed up as they often do to attack a demonstration,the demonstrators prepared for that scenario,are you saying people should just be cowed by violent activists/terrorists and not exercise their right to assemble or right free speech?

 

Because I've read a lot of left leaning news articles making that argument,and it won't lead anywhere good for America.

 

He condemned the driver and praised the woman and her family in no uncertain terms,he just refused to condemn all of the protesters who were attacked for expressing their rights as Americans.

 

There is a clear difference,the murderer can be lumped in with all those 'counter protesters' who showed up to attack demonstrators.

The demonstrators who went equipped to defend themselves are not infringing others rights or initiating any violence.

 

To blame them is to use the same argument as people who'd say the woman in the short skirt deserved to be raped.

 

Seriously mate? You think these people just happen to arrive in the same place and kick off?

 

How on earth do you draw the conclusion that I think people should be cowed into terror, and not exercise their rights?! I've been pretty much pro-rights since day one. The THL record will support that! If people wish to freely assemble I have no issue with it at all. I have no issue with an armed citizenry. I have no issue with the first amendment and I've actually agreed with you on Don's point but used my first amendment rights to say that his timing, his tact, and his terminology are not fitting of the office he represents and I'm not in the minority. I also see the irony of two groups of minorities using the US constitution to promote a system of rule where none of these rights would be granted by the victors. Left, or right.

 

The murderer can be lumped in with the rest of these dicks who use terror tactics to further their ideals. A fringe element, of a fringe element that is struggling to maintain any kind of relevance in 2017. Those initiating violence should be dealt with harshly, and punitively, and you yourself could take a leaf from Don's book and condemn the violence on both sides. These minorities turned up for a scrap and they got one, shame they're all so blinded by rage that someone had to die, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

I'll pick up on your last couple of points mate if I can and hold them up as an example of the way a gift somehow becomes a right.

 

Now I have no read the details but I take it he is not suggesting people don't get paid at all, my guess is he is saying there should be no extra pay over an above normal hourly rate and that there should in fact be no state legislated minimum hourly rate.

 

If you think about it logically, that makes total sense.

If a person commits to a job of work and agrees the fee then that is the fee, it's not up to the state to then legislate and extra gift over and above the agreed price......the fee in any normal way of thinking should be a matter strictly for the employer and the employee.

If the employer chooses to pay extra for over time that is in fact a gift from them to the worker.

When did a gift become a right and why should it even be a right in any normal, even handed way of thinking?

If an employer wants to keep the best people they will look after them at his own discretion because it makes sense them to do so.........no state intervention required.

 

Healthcare.......again, a state legislated gift of charity NOT a right.

Much as we all approve of some kind of health care for those unable to take care of themselves the fact of the matter is that it is NOT a right, it is an act of charity that is legislated by the state for other people to pay for.

Anyway you dress it up, that's what it is.

 

And I think those two points highlight perfectly how the world has got a nasty illness of never callungva thing actually what it is, it's called something else and dressed up to look the way the people proposing it want it to look.

And mate, I think people know it and they are becoming sick of it......what you see is a reaction to a world government that has engineered a society of falsifications and lies and called them "normal"

None of what we have is normal, it's all somebody else's bright idea to suit their own agenda.

Welcome back from your sabbatical, my friend.

 

The enduring existence of this thread is to highlight that self proclaimed saviour of the people, Donald J Trump, isn't what he said he is. Isn't doing what he'd said he'd do and actually doing a lot of the things he said he abolish once in office. You've used the emporers new clothes analogy yourself, only this time the emporer outsources his clothing line to the Chinese whilst simultaneously saying how great American manufacturing is.

 

I get what you're saying with the rest of the post but rebuttal was aimed at the point about him saving the world. He isn't and is actually attempting to enact legislation that further favours the oligarchs. He's not draining the swamp, as promised, he's just putting gold bath taps on the shitter. Like with all cults of personality he'll endure but those of us that can see he's got nothing on will continue to highlight it to rest of the world. He's still got time, and I genuinely hope I can post something on here that reflects a positive step.

 

[kanny 21,677]

When your ripping up the pattern and starting again don't expect get it right on your first attempt. ..that's how I see trump he's a stepping stone in the right direction but by no means a finished product he's just the prototype...it doesn't matter how spectacular trump fails it won't change the fact the people are wanting change.