Anyone Know Much About Bullmastiffs?

[Welsh_red 4,996]

i have a large breed dog , hes a cross of god knows what (possibly anatolian) , would it be a good idea to start giving him joint supplements as a way to stave off any possible joint problems in the future ? Hes only 2 1/2 at the moment

[BGD 6,437]

i have a large breed dog , hes a cross of god knows what (possibly anatolian) , would it be a good idea to start giving him joint supplements as a way to stave off any possible joint problems in the future ? Hes only 2 1/2 at the moment

Certainly couldn't hurt

 

You might want to look into Ester C too, I've heard great things about it preventing HD in later life when given to pups, not sure if it has the same effect on already fully grown dogs but worth looking into.

[bird 10,014]

Ray do u have any pics of the old dogs

if you look at crufts 1985 (berwick of codsall) best male bullmastiff, you see him there at earls court london.. .my comp down at moment on my wifes L/T , when i get it back and fixed i try and get some pics to you if you like, of my bitch and litter of pups i bred. alot of the pups went aboard germany,,usa, holland .. ,as they the people were from all over at crufts and they liked berwick ,they wanted one like him. if can sort printer out there old pics from the 80s not sure how to do it with old pics maybe me wife knows lol if can get any i pm you . Ray

[dare 1,103]

Off to google ester c not heard of that. Doubt is anything that can out right prevent as like i said is so many factors that can contribute. Best thing has got be people dont buy from untested parents and hopefully over generations the chances of hd can be slimmer. You would think the kennel club would sort out health tests based on the breed of dog. No untested dogs litters allowed to be registered nor high scorers. Then again i suppose theyd loose out on money.

 

Just the talk of hd and having lost my first dog to it puts me off owning a large dog.

[BGD 6,437]

Off to google ester c not heard of that. Doubt is anything that can out right prevent as like i said is so many factors that can contribute. Best thing has got be people dont buy from untested parents and hopefully over generations the chances of hd can be slimmer. You would think the kennel club would sort out health tests based on the breed of dog. No untested dogs litters allowed to be registered nor high scorers. Then again i suppose theyd loose out on money.

 

Just the talk of hd and having lost my first dog to it puts me off owning a large dog.

As you say pal there's no silver bullet to prevent HD, there's just too many factors in causing it but I know a couple of working GSD and mastiff breeders that swear by Ester C they even send all their pups off with a couple of months supply to get the new owners started.

 

Testing definitely the way to go like you say the KC really should make it mandatory for the parents of registered litters to be health tested, can't see it happening though

[downsouth 8,333]

 

i have a large breed dog , hes a cross of god knows what (possibly anatolian) , would it be a good idea to start giving him joint supplements as a way to stave off any possible joint problems in the future ? Hes only 2 1/2 at the moment

Certainly couldn't hurt

You might want to look into Ester C too, I've heard great things about it preventing HD in later life when given to pups, not sure if it has the same effect on already fully grown dogs but worth looking into.

We tried all that years ago mate with the American bulldogs and it made no difference.Some that were given Ester C and another hyped up product called prevention still got CHD and some that just got normal food every day were fine and vise versa.I think it's all down to genetics good breeding and a little bit of luck.

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

i have a large breed dog , hes a cross of god knows what (possibly anatolian) , would it be a good idea to start giving him joint supplements as a way to stave off any possible joint problems in the future ? Hes only 2 1/2 at the moment

Certainly couldn't hurt

You might want to look into Ester C too, I've heard great things about it preventing HD in later life when given to pups, not sure if it has the same effect on already fully grown dogs but worth looking into.

We tried all that years ago mate with the American bulldogs and it made no difference.Some that were given Ester C and another hyped up product called prevention still got CHD and some that just got normal food every day were fine and vise versa.I think it's all down to genetics good breeding and a little bit of luck.

That's gutting pal and you're not the first person I've known that has had real problems with American bulldogs and HD you're right in that if the genes are bad then there isn't any fixing it and it seems ABs are some of the worst effected, probably because they're a "rustic working breed" so a lot of breeders don't bother with health testing, just shows the importance of only buying pups from well tested lines

[Blackdog92 2,047]

Bird when you kept mastiffs did you feed a lot of veg to your dogs when they were pups? Before my mam got hers she read somewere that they need a fair bit of veg to build them up along with plenty meat of course. And it loves veg you could put a bowl full of veg infront of it and will eat the lot if i put that infront of my dogs they wouldnt give it a second look.

[downsouth 8,333]

 

 

Ever meet a boerboel ray? Only as supposed to still be used for work. Thing is i am sure some breeders are breeding them just to be big. Being a fan of bulldogs i prefer a slimmer built dog i know its supposed to be a guard but some look to heavy to move. No doubt the breed will go to shit as more people own em and start having litters. Hopefully a few breeders have a passion and work with a line and keep the dog bred for a purpose. Have posted before a woman in america who breeds and whilst her dogs still look big and heavy they arent ott and in.great condition. I wonder though how much more impressive some of these huge ones would be if the owner stripped the weight abit. When the weathers better hoping to be able to sort out seeing a boerboel in the flesh just for a day out and as ive never seen one.

yeh , funny thing i feel the same as you there far to heavy, if you look at some of them there like docked bullmastiff, ok they got other breeeds in them, but any dog over 140 lb get probs HD for a start not long lived , blout, etc them boerboels go up to feckin 200lb noway can they be healthy . if really wanted a big guard type dog i go for a (ban-dog) pit x bullmastiff or maybe a kangal there about the most healthy of all the big breeds to day, as yet they aint been got hold of by the KC asyet, but that prob wont be long either, once a dog becomes popular they feck them up .!

Not really looked into bandogs over here tbh. Seen some nice dogs on american sites though. Years back at a few reid shows were big bandogs if you could call them that. Was probably a "bandog" what they used and regarded as a pit rather than a game bred proven dog, and a poor example mastiff. None of em caught my eye even if most seemed to be in silly over the top leather harnesses and a big chain lead lol.

I just think is there a need for a dog to be so heavy? Im sure a presa or am bulldog would be enough to stop someone. Then again maybe the boerboels would look better that american womans certainly look better imo and a much more able dog.

You might be surprised mate as to what bandogs are being worked and bred over here now.There is some real quality stock being bred as well as the stuff that's been imported from Europe in the last few years.What I like about the proper neo influenced bandogs is the really balanced temperament they have as long as they are a genuine neo or English mastiff based bandog rather than a mish mash of large breeds just thrown together.I wouldn't touch a pressa with a barge pole as ive seen too many with bad temperaments and the bulldogs are way too hit and miss and are getting worse every year.

[keepdiggin 9,567]

its a lot easier to find a well bred bulldog\presa then English mastiff\neo

[DogFox123 1,379]

Can remember when Swinford tried to create the ultimate canine by crossing a gamebred Pitbull with an English Mastiff, one was matched back into a Pitbull and it lasted 12 mins.

[Blackdog92 2,047]

What do you mean matched dogfox123?

[downsouth 8,333]

I didn't say you couldn't find a well bred pressa I said I dint like their temperaments.They seem to be switched on all the time.I know of at least 8 that have turned on their owners.And as for 5he bulldogs they've become a joke and that's not me just being a twat I kept them for over 15yrs and my one of my best pals brought a lot of 5he early bulldogs over in fact his dogs can be seen at the back of most of the hines bred dogs pedigrees over here.He switched over to bandogs years ago because he said the bulldogs were too inconsistent I just wish I'd of listened to him yrs ago.And as for decent neos they are out there if you know where to look not that you need to find them as theres already some very good lines of bandog out there that are multi generation deep.

[gnasher16 31,325]

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

Edited November 9, 2015 by gnasher16

[BGD 6,437]

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

 

The "ideal" bandog would be as fit as a bulldog with the guardian temp of a mastiff type, it's basically trying to recreate the old, capable mastiff types. Their use and value is as a guard dog but I can't understand swapping bulldogs for them, I've always kept both I guess bulldog folk would be attracted to the bandog types because of the athleticism and tenancity they show, both traits we all admire in the bulldog. I know after keeping bulldogs I couldn't stand to have a fat lazy dog like most mastiffs are these days.