PIL 7 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 NO! fair play I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........ (deepcut barracks) I think I would .. they committed suicide but why ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Lloyd 10,736 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 No. You will end up with army that doesn't want too be there and are weak and a waste of money resources and space. Fully agree.. Whilst it pains some folk to think of lazy, no good for nothing feckers, having an easy time,..cashing in off the State and generaly seeming to live, a life of ease,...and the easy solution would appear to be ,"Get em into the Army, knock some fecking sence into em".,.kinda thing.. In reality (in peace time)...it would be a complete and utter waste of fecking time.. I well remember in my youth,...loads of us going along to the Army recruitment centre, and looking at all the jobs that were on offer. For some of my mates it was a chance of a carreer,..and a way out of the housing estate.. But for me,..even though I did join the Army Cadets (and enjoyed it) the call of the wild,.. was just too much.. What I am trying to say is,..the modern day army needs specialists,..it don't need cannon fodder or recalcutrant youths with mental problems and discipline issues... It needs fit and willing young men,.. who WANT to be something special.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 NO!fair play I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........ (deepcut barracks) I think I would .. Recruits didn't shoot nco's in deepcut it was alleged that nco's had shot recruits and that it wasn't suicide ... Anyway that's beside the point ... If you had the lack of mental stability that would mean you would kill somebody for shouting at you I dare say you would be in jail or a secure hospital by now ........ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithie 2,432 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 i think its a good idea.. keeps them off white lightning and m-katt no job its national service and im too old to do it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 No. You will end up with army that doesn't want too be there and are weak and a waste of money resources and space. Fully agree.. Whilst it pains some folk to think of lazy, no good for nothing feckers, having an easy time,..cashing in off the State and generaly seeming to live, a life of ease,...and the easy solution would appear to be ,"Get em into the Army, knock some fecking sence into em".,.kinda thing.. In reality (in peace time)...it would be a complete and utter waste of fecking time.. I well remember in my youth,...loads of us going along to the Army recruitment centre, and looking at all the jobs that were on offer. For some of my mates it was a chance of a carreer,..and a way out of the housing estate.. But for me,..even though I did join the Army Cadets (and enjoyed it) the call of the wild,.. was just too much.. What I am trying to say is,..the modern day army needs specialists,..it don't need cannon fodder or recalcutrant youths with mental problems and discipline issues... It needs fit and willing young men,.. who WANT to be something special.... The army isn't like it was in the 50s 1000s of soldiers used for target practice. Every job in the forces is specialised now. No space for wasters to be honest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 They don't need to actually become regular soldiers,or go on ops etc just the basic 12 week phase 1 training that pretty much anyone can pass,it will teach them discipline and if we ever do need them they'll be part trained. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 They don't need to actually become regular soldiers,or go on ops etc just the basic 12 week phase 1 training that pretty much anyone can pass,it will teach them discipline and if we ever do need them they'll be part trained. Not really when you look at the percentage of people that fail selection then jack it in. That's people that want to be there lol Imagine the idiots that don't want be there and have no interest what's so ever in been a soldier 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Do you lot think every kid needs to learn respect then? Your all talking as if you was never young lol. I would say even at the age of 23 for some reason the kids seem to have got worse. Alot more knife n gun crime now compare to my school days. But surely not all kids know so little about respect as the way you lot seem to carry on. Having respect and morals taught is the job of the parents surely? That'll be your generation that are the parents. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Surely you would just end up with conscript regiments and professional regiments. Much like many other militaries. It would only impede on the effectiveness of our professional regiments if additional funding wasn't provided. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 They don't need to actually become regular soldiers,or go on ops etc just the basic 12 week phase 1 training that pretty much anyone can pass,it will teach them discipline and if we ever do need them they'll be part trained. Not really when you look at the percentage of people that fail selection then jack it in. That's people that want to be there lol Imagine the idiots that don't want be there and have no interest what's so ever in been a soldier I'd only give benefits and certain rights to people who passed it,free health care and the right to be housed,child benefit etc. would also be a good selection for the army,only accept the better ones as regulars and it would be a much fairer way of finding out who'd make good officers too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL 7 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 NO!fair play I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........ (deepcut barracks) I think I would .. Recruits didn't shoot nco's in deepcut it was alleged that nco's had shot recruits and that it wasn't suicide ... Anyway that's beside the point ... If you had the lack of mental stability that would mean you would kill somebody for shouting at you I dare say you would be in jail or a secure hospital by now ........ I didn't just mean the shouting but bullying in general Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 NO!fair play I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........ (deepcut barracks) I think I would .. Recruits didn't shoot nco's in deepcut it was alleged that nco's had shot recruits and that it wasn't suicide ... Anyway that's beside the point ... If you had the lack of mental stability that would mean you would kill somebody for shouting at you I dare say you would be in jail or a secure hospital by now ........ I didn't just mean the shouting but bullying in general bullying(as you call it) weeds out those who will not be accepted or who those who are not 100% committed. old school yes, but proven in history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 They don't need to actually become regular soldiers,or go on ops etc just the basic 12 week phase 1 training that pretty much anyone can pass,it will teach them discipline and if we ever do need them they'll be part trained. Not really when you look at the percentage of people that fail selection then jack it in. That's people that want to be there lol Imagine the idiots that don't want be there and have no interest what's so ever in been a soldier I'd only give benefits and certain rights to people who passed it,free health care and the right to be housed,child benefit etc. would also be a good selection for the army,only accept the better ones as regulars and it would be a much fairer way of finding out who'd make good officers too. I don't know when you left the forces mate but times have changed. It's not like bad boys army no more. The recruits have more rights than NCOs now. As recruits you can complain about section commanders and give them cards. You get duvets in training ffs. Now add that shite to a training regiment of a couple 1000 boys n girls that don't want be there and you have got a large waste of money and resources. The forces can't afford to accommodate what they already have never mind training every dole bird up n down the country. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's a Do you lot think every kid needs to learn respect then? Your all talking as if you was never young lol. I would say even at the age of 23 for some reason the kids seem to have got worse. Alot more knife n gun crime now compare to my school days. But surely not all kids know so little about respect as the way you lot seem to carry on. Having respect and morals taught is the job of the parents surely? That'll be your generation that are the parents. I think knife crime and gun crime levels have reduced incredibly in the last 20 or 30 years. When you look at cities like Glasgow with gangs and running battles everyday for year and years. It's just a lot more publicised now compared to 20 years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Surely you would just end up with conscript regiments and professional regiments. Much like many other militaries. It would only impede on the effectiveness of our professional regiments if additional funding wasn't provided. Yeah but then what's the point you will just have regiments that are a waste of time and space. Of course it's going to be funded who's going to pay for the training costs and funding for these regiments? Your are talking maybe 250000 more a year? The training staff and resources needed to start national service would make it a complete waste of time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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