I ran a lot of young dogs on for Brian around that time and never seen anything bordery in any of them,a lot of lads breed black fells and patts quoting them as being bred from him but most have never come from him, his stuff at that time was very typey and the right size for work, like most breeders he ran 2lines and depending who you were or knew depended on what pup he sold you, I have seen a few of his smaller stuff lately and they look like black pugs,in all the time we ran pups on we never had a jibber,some were a little too hard for a long life but looked very similar, WM
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