It is a good topic mate I agree, I too grew up in the .22 is king era, and have had my fair share some good, some very good, (bsf b55 Bavaria) some not so good, but then reading Airgun world, and being persuaded by a mate who always shot .177, I tried the calibre swap, and loved it, probably helped in no small measure by buying the Hw80 when they first came out, and to be honest, compared with my mates .22 meteors, Airsporters, Vulcans, etc it was light years ahead, not only in terms of build quality but killing power as well, again probably due to pushing out genuine full power, and now all t