the grand cherokee's are good motors bud, most of the jeeps are...far better than them crappy, shitty land rovers, there's an art to off road driving, and a good set of boots, like you say, the problem is....when a 4x4 does get stuck, people instantly blame the 4x4!!!...saying, there crap 4x4's, 9 times out of 10, it's driver error,