mushroom: unless the dog genuinely had a phobia about water, I'd hardly call this making it fearful. There is a big difference between a bit of non painful negative reinforcement and really frightening a dog. I'd sooner try the water treatment than bung a shock collar on the dog and really cause it pain, or storm up to it screaming and kicking it. It is the surprise of getting the water in its face, combined with the 'be quiet' command which lets the dog know that you don't like it making a noise. All mine have had the 'water treatment' at some stage in their lives, and they certainly don't ac