dee mac. we will have to agree to disagree. to many messers with black dogs. .they keep them . becouse they is black. and i agree the intelligent little russells from yesteryear are few and far between working mongrels. and none the worse for it. there is one or two good lads with blacks around me allso to be fair :laugh: . sorry for the hijack lads and i would also like to see a pic of turbo or troy.